US Politics on Sidechat | Looking into Israel it's quite funny that they're demographically fucked in a few decades because of the ultra orthodox (who don't pay tax or serve in the military) population boom

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Looking into Israel it's quite funny that they're demographically fucked in a few decades because of the ultra orthodox (who don't pay tax or serve in the military) population boom

Anonymous 2d

I saw someone say “it’s like if the Amish voted”

Anonymous 2d

They dont pay tax? Bruh how do I become ultra orthodox

Anonymous 2d

I honestly hope the contention around this divide in their society escalates. Not only is it apartheid but there’s some castes that have special privileges among the rest

Anonymous 2d

One of the only reasons the Israeli government was fine with the orthodox exemption to mandatory military service was because they knew if they let them do nothing but reproduce for decades on end they would quickly out-populate the native Palestinians, Israel is an apartheid ethnostate

Anonymous

#1 2d

“And were 15% of the population”

Anonymous

#2 2d

They do pay taxes, but they consume more than they produce. They tend to be pretty poor, not work much, and have a ton of kids

Anonymous

#1 2d

The Amish just do their own thing for the most part, 40% of ultra orthodox don't work because they're studying the Torah

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Anonymous

#2 2d

Gotta be born into it big bro

Anonymous

#3 2d

oh boy do i have news for you about the defining issue of the last 20 years of israeli domestic politics

Anonymous

#5 2d

they actually granted the exemption assuming they would remain a tiny minority, thus making it not really an issue, but they did not

Anonymous

#6 2d

I’m sure not a single person foresaw the potential consequences for allowing a religious fundamentalist group that follows a teaching explicitly saying to reproduce as much as physically possible to do nothing but reproduce as much as physically possible

Anonymous

#5 2d

there were like 300 of them

Anonymous

#6 2d

Yeah I’ve heard about it, that’s why I hope it escalates

Anonymous

#3 2d

escalates into what? there’s not much further for it to escalate

Anonymous

#6 2d

Whatever you want it to mean, I’d imagine forced conscription or brutal crackdowns that lead to armed ultra orthodox insurgency and civil war. And yes I am wishing for violence and no I’m not going to feel guilty about it

Anonymous

#3 2d

universal conscription is a major policy promise of most of the parties elected this time

Anonymous

#6 2d

literally netanyahu only clawed his way back to power last time because he promised the haredim he’d undo the supreme court ruling striking down the exemption

Anonymous

#6 2d

and if u think about it i think u can figure out why a civil war is not a very likely outcome here

Anonymous

#6 2d

If you can find a source for that number I would greatly appreciate it

Anonymous

#5 2d

here’s an overview of the history, i don’t think anyone knows exactly but the number was “several hundred” and it was only supposed to be people who were actually doing full time religious study as a gesture of respect to ultra orthodox. but now the community just exempts everyone whether they’re studying or not

Anonymous

#6 2d

https://israelpolicyforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Haredi-draft.pdf