Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

Which im not

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Anonymous OP 4w

Then who’s “we” in your post?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

“Maybe we should” = force to you?

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Anonymous OP 4w

You didn’t answer my question.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

“We” could mean anyone and is also just not forceful at all lol

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 4w

Bible can be disproved, it directly is refuted by the fact that idk the universe is more than 6,000 years old????

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Anonymous #8 4w

The Bible doesn’t actually say the earth is 6,000 years old. That’s one interpretation some people hold. A lot of Christians accept that the universe is billions of years old

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Anonymous #8 4w

When I said don’t have enough evidence to prove or disprove a god I mean any and all gods, not just the Abrahamic gods.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Bible does say earth was created in 6 days tho

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Anonymous OP 4w

Also no evidence for the global flood described in Noah’s Ark story Also miracles contradict with known physical laws Also the Bible provides contradicting lineage for Joseph Need I continue?

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Anonymous #8 4w

I mean I don’t mind the questions — those are things thoughtful Christians have wrestled with too. They just dont automatically refute the entire faith

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Anonymous #11 4w

Anyways its always lowk funny to me when Christians say we ought to take Gd more seriously bc yall are like… the definition of NOT taking Gd seriously lmao

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Anonymous #11 4w

“Yeah bro i knew the heretic blasphemer through a vision and HE SAID to me in the vision that we dont actually have to follow the rules that we’ve been following for centuries, we actually just have to oppress anyone who doesnt agree with our theologically unsound nonsense!”

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Anonymous #11 4w

“Yeah bro all those rules He just laid out in the Torah actually dont matter because His Son who is also Him said we can just do willy nilly as long as we state the blasphemy that a man can be Gd!”

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Anonymous #11 4w

“No yeah dont worry about all that junk in the front of the book bro, only this little extra bit we stapled on matters! Yeah! The blasphemy yeah but dont call it that!”

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Anonymous #11 4w

Anyway sorry for dogging on you man, i agree w ur original statement its just funny that what you MEANT to say was “maybe we should take the blasphemous man-god more seriously”. The atheists/agnostics here acting like religious people cant also believe in science tho are cringe asf 💀 theyre not mutually exclusive gng

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Anonymous #11 4w

Also you said “the bible all points to jesus” which is just rude to the Jews who were interpreting the TNK long before the Jesus squad came around and said “no no it all meant JESUS it was FORESHADOWING”

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Anonymous #11 4w

Just want to clarify that Christianity teaches that the Law was fulfilled not discarded

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Anonymous OP 4w

Exactly so why yall be discarding it tho?

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Anonymous #11 4w

Ooohhh Peter had a dream that said he could eat pork! Riiight. Ok!

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Anonymous #11 4w

The agnostic whatever saying that the creation story of the 6 day creation disproves the whole book is wild tho bc Genesis is pretty obviously poetic/literary. Which IK they dont wanna hear bc its a “cop-out” and they think the text written for ancient hebrews should be a scientific masterpiece or smthn

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Anonymous #11 4w

Also apologetics is kinda dumb anyway cuz like the whole basis of ts religion shit is believing in something that cant be easily proven/disproven so idk why atheists always try to force religious ppl into doing apologetics other than bc they genuinely dont understand the basis of religion. Inter-religious dialogue is way more interesting than atheist “haha you cant prove it lol you lose” arguments

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Anonymous #11 4w

the Law was fulfilled and the covenant changed, so we’re not under the same covenant obligations as ancient Israel

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Anonymous OP 4w

no but at the very least it refutes the idea that the Bible is historically accurate

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Anonymous #8 4w

Well 💀 duhhhh

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Anonymous #9 4w

sorry you feel that way

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Anonymous OP 4w

OHHHH 🤯 if a guy shows up and says a blatantly heretical thing then says that he changed the covenant, then its just automatically changed, no biggie! Anyways i get ur stance but this is lowk starting to look like a self-humiliation ritual

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Anonymous #11 4w

Also I agree that inter-religious dialogue is so much more interesting

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Anonymous #11 4w

#ThrowOutTheOldLaw

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Anonymous OP 4w

Atheist arguments are like “HA the bible isnt a perfect scientific/historical masterpiece! GOTCHA” like 💀 duhhhh

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Anonymous #11 4w

and if the Bible is inaccurate then what evidence whatsoever do we have for the Christian god?

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Anonymous #11 4w

if the one major piece of evidence supporting Christianity isn’t reliable whatsoever then what evidence is there or God’s existence?

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Anonymous #8 4w

See like… why do you care if ts christian guy has no evidence for his fundamentally unprovable belief? I think it was silly to post this on US politics as if this has anything to do w politics, but apologetics is dumb lol

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Anonymous #11 4w

I’m honestly not humiliated at all. It’s super interesting the way Jews see Jesus

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Anonymous #8 4w

I think the whole point of Christianity is that there isn’t supposed to be proof and your blind belief means more than it just being proven

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Anonymous #10 4w

so it’s just one giant “trust me bro” lmfao

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Anonymous OP 4w

The way i see it, he had a LOT of good ideas, and also said (or, reportedly said) some wildly blasphemous and theologically nonsensical stuff. And that if he was in fact Messiah, then like [looks around] why history not culminating? Why it only getting more evil around here? Basically it was wrong of the Pharisees to get Jesus killed, but he was ALSO a terrible Jew and a fraud. I wouldnt say hes “boiling in excrement” cuz thats rude, but i do understand why jews felt that way abt him lol

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Anonymous #8 4w

Well… duh… lol

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Anonymous #10 4w

Or that’s how they choose to interpret and work there not being proof to their benefit at least

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Anonymous #8 4w

Yep

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Anonymous #10 4w

No it comes down to if you accept Jesus as God or not

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Anonymous OP 4w

How does that disprove what I’m saying

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Anonymous #11 4w

yeah I have no evidence that the world is on top of a turtle but I have faith that it is, therefore it is…

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Anonymous #8 4w

Idk gng it was silly for him to use the word “we” bc this atheist “lol gotcha” argument was extremely predictable, but its really not productive to try to prove the existence of something that transcends existence. Like Gd isnt “BE-ING” therefore Hes not “existing” as we know it

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Anonymous #11 4w

Like yeah if u wanna believe theres a transcendent turtle thats also cool, you ought to put more faith in and try to do work in real life to make th turtle cleaner and happier AKA protect the environment

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Anonymous #10 4w

I’m just clarifying that Jesus and the resurrection is what it ultimately comes down to

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yeah if ur a silly goose 🪿

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Anonymous #11 4w

Basically moral of the story: saying religious stuff on US Politics is not rlly productive bc religion is so personal and highly controversial

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Anonymous #11 4w

yeah but how do you comment on the existence of something without evidence of it, I can’t see it, can’t hear it, can’t feel it, can’t touch it, can’t interact with it, does it even physically exist at that point?

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Anonymous #8 4w

“Faith” is how

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Anonymous #8 4w

From an ex raised Christian who asked too many questions

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Anonymous #11 4w

because statements w/o evidence are either simply untrue or unprovable and thus accomplish nothing

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Anonymous #8 4w

BECAUSE DIVINITY IS TRANSCENDENTAL OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS. Like idk how to explain that Gd/the divine doesnt LITERALLY “EXIST”, like he DOESNT physically EXIST. Christians try to weasel their way out of the transcendence of the divine by making a man-god which is silly, but in a like actually theologically sound understanding, the divine IS NOT PROVABLE/OBSERVABLE BC IT IS NOT BE-ING

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Anonymous #10 4w

yeah it’s just circular reasoning, not to mention how the description of God in the Bible contradicts with how the world operates today or even the way biology works

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Anonymous #11 4w

so then what’s the point of it whatsoever? if it doesn’t exist then it must have no impact to interact with things that do exist, no?

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Anonymous #11 4w

Like its literally unproductive to even talk abt it like this bc its so above anything we can put into words. And YES that sounds like a “cop-out”, thats WHY THIS WHOLE THING IS UNPRODUCTIVE DRIVEL

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Anonymous #8 4w

Bc we exist within the divine, we EXIST, while the divine is transcendent OVER the baseline “existing”. IDK im a religion/philosophy major so its like hard to explain this kind of jargony stuff into laymen language bc its literally unproductive to even try to explain what “exist” means beyond the basic understanding of “exist = real”

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Anonymous #11 4w

yeah, it’s just merely a social construct created to control and influence people imo, it’s very good at it evidently bc it gets people to reject the fundamentals of learning and the human experience

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Anonymous #8 4w

Pretty much yes organized religion is a method of social-control. Christianity is the most ridiculous bastardization of religion ive ever seen, and the most influential one in the world.

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Anonymous #8 4w

Jewish people honestly don’t know what they believe bc wdym God doesn’t literally exist

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Anonymous #11 4w

A third of the world and growing in numbers

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Anonymous OP 4w

Well no jew will ever agree w another entirely, which is good imo. Christians are controlled by their dogmatic centralized heresy to the point where saying “the one god is actually three things lol” IS REQUIRED ???

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Anonymous OP 4w

shrinking as a % of the world population and in the western world thankfully

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Anonymous #11 4w

Basically yes organized religion bad. Christians controlled the world into being a ton of stupid stupid stupid stupidness

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Anonymous #11 4w

Like Gd EXISTS in the colloquial laymen way (at least, I think so), but if Exist-ing only occurs WITHIN the divine, then Gd is transcendent of “exist-ing”, Hes MORE THAN exist-ing

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Anonymous #11 4w

Whereas Christians are like “lol and he also a random guy lol”

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Anonymous #11 4w

Anyways i hate laymen christian drivel PLS take a Hebrew Bible course or a Religion course and PAY ATTENTION so that you dont say stupid shit on Us Politics yikyak

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Anonymous #11 4w

If u have a “what is religion” course at ur school i HIGHLY recommend

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Anonymous #8 4w

Luckily it’s growing globally

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Anonymous OP 4w

shrinking by %, the entire population is growing, but more non-Christians are being born than Christians

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Anonymous #8 4w

Thnk Gd

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Anonymous #8 4w

More Christian converts than any other faith in the world too

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Anonymous #11 4w

OP if you want ppl to take Gd more seriously, the best place to start is within Christianity itself. The Christian Right has painted you all with a disgusting veneer and its honestly embarrassing. We would love to have more real theologians but a lot of u are overly concerned with politics and making everyone’s lives worse lol. INFLUENCE THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT AWAY FROM EVIL TOWARDS A MORE CHRIST-LIKE SOCIETY then lets talk apologetics

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Anonymous OP 4w

more people are leaving than joining, your cult is losing its influence and I couldn’t be happier about it

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Anonymous OP 4w

“luckily it’s growing globally” is literally the mindset of proselytizing and evangelizing religions all over the world that make it their mission to never leave people alone 💀

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Anonymous #3 4w

Im so glad im not in a proselytizing religion 💀 what a farce

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Anonymous #8 4w

That’s actually not true

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Anonymous #11 4w

The only take away i could have from “we need to take Gd more seriously” coming from a Christian is that we seriously need to deal w the evil pervading christian politics.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Oh u mean in America. I’m not concerned, and still amazing to see the gospel being shared globally

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Anonymous OP 4w

bro wants to colonize the whole world with a cult that encourages gay people to get stoned 🤡🤡🤡🤡

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Anonymous #11 4w

Idek why i engaged in this conversation for so long when i literally just told my lady that Christians are impossible to talk to because theyll always resort to “we have more ppl so im right lol” as a point. OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE MORE PPL YALL ARE EVANGELIST COLONIZERS 💀💀

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Anonymous OP 4w

… that’s the problem w organized religion. it has to grow to be successful. literally the same mentality as cancer.

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Anonymous #8 4w

Wrong religion

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Anonymous #3 4w

Yeah and on the gay thing all organized religions intentionally misread scripture to demonize people which is simply absurd. LIKE BRO DO NOT USE MY LAW THAT YALL REJECT TO DEMONIZE GAYS WHEN THATS NOT EVEN WHAT IT MEEEEAAAANT

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Anonymous #11 4w

Jews do this too its depressing asf. Although rn the organized jewish community is doing a lot of wildly wrong and insane things

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Anonymous #3 4w

Obviously you have to share the gospel for the church to grow

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Anonymous OP 4w

why does it need to grow?

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Anonymous #8 4w

To spread truth and hope and joy

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Anonymous OP 4w

“truth” 😭😭😭

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Anonymous OP 4w

I have never felt hope or joy from Christianity

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Anonymous #10 4w

-I was a Christian for 20 years

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Anonymous #10 4w

The last few years being purely out of fear of hell if I officially decided I didn’t believe

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Anonymous OP 4w

To people who already have their own sources of truth and joy. It’s very arrogant. It’s really just growth for the sake of growth. Regardless of the very evident harms. I don’t care if people believe Jesus is the Lord. I just don’t like evangelizing. ✌️

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Anonymous #8 4w

Yeah honestly it’s pretty unexplainable. The joy and peace that I have after putting my faith into following Christ has been transformative. I used to see ppl around me that were so grounded and good and I was so jealous of them but I get it now. Would love for that message to be shared among the nations

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Anonymous OP 4w

Other nations have their own sources of peace and joy and truth. They don’t need your input. They need you to stop starting holy wars that kill people in the name of a subjective belief. They need you to stop lobbying secular government to restrict freedoms. That’s what people need. You understand that when it’s a Mormom doing it to you, time to have some self awareness & realize ur no different.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yes religion is transformative. Its also personal. Evangelizing/proselytizing culture has destroyed the value of religion lol

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Anonymous #3 4w

Actually many other nations are in peril and would benefit greatly from messages about joy and and peace and truth

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Anonymous #11 4w

“We need to share THIS CORRECT WAY PF HAVING JOY with the nations” is why Christianity will forever be tied to colonialism and colonization

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Anonymous #11 4w

Defining christian religion as the one “truth” is just gross at this point. Its colonizer shit and it ignores the fact that other religions/cultures experience that capital T Truth and experience the transformative joy of it WITHOUT having to subscribe to YOU Truth

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Anonymous OP 4w

Christianity appeals to unhappy people who want to think someone is always looking after them (in a way bc he’s sending me to hell if it’s real and I absolutely do not think I deserve that and it makes me not want to follow him even if I thought it was real) and some nice stories that make their existence seem like more and no matter what they have a place in paradise for eternity. I do not need hope of that, I think it’s great and natural to live my life the best I can and return to the ground

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Anonymous #11 4w

We’d be more at peace if yall would leave the rest of us the fuck alone

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Anonymous #11 4w

It’s very personal, sharing with others about what God did for them is powerful because of how personal it is

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yeah but like trying to convert people is just gross and saps the joy of religion out of them. Its not transformative anymore if its forced. Missionary work often relies on holding food/healthcare/education away from an unchristian people and only giving it to them when they convert, destroying the JOY and consent of the conversion

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Anonymous #11 4w

I prefer jewish ideology (or, how i understand it) in this way because its not like goyim cant know/love Gd, they just dont need to follow all these rules and do all this crap that Jews have an obligation to do. If a goy is that dedicated to Gd that they’d join the family, then they will put themself through a transformative process to do so. With Christianity and conversion its more like… i need to say this thing and go in the water so i dont burn in hell :(

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Anonymous #10 4w

That is fair for you to put your hope in whatever fulfills you! For me im more concerned with what i gain from following Christ not what happens if I don’t

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Awww 🥰 its so beautiful that you were so scared of a non-existent punishment that you dedicated your life to a theological fallacy

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yeah, you’re concerned with what YOU gain

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Anonymous #11 4w

That’s a blatant lie about missionaries

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Anonymous #10 4w

it really is such a self centered view of the world

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Anonymous #11 4w

Christianity is like “what if we did a major theological fallacy and then convinced the whole world that theyd face eternal punishment if they didnt accept this fallacy as undeniably factual”

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Anonymous OP 4w

Ok buddy im glad you told the religion major what missionaries get up to

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Anonymous #11 4w

I was really concerned that i might be wrong

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Anonymous #11 4w

Christianity is the most anti-life self-centered ideology i have ever come into contact with in all my studying and its absurd how prevalent it is even within non-christian/secular thought

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Anonymous #10 4w

Yes! That’s why I believe in God, because of what He has done for me. I share with others that they might experience the same

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Anonymous OP 4w

Ta guy is an idiot

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Anonymous OP 4w

lol he hasn’t done shit for you, shit just happened to you and you attached it to God without zero evidence of even correlation much less causation

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Anonymous #8 4w

Nope, The moment I started following Christ changed every aspect of my life. Not like everything is perfect at all but truly unexplainable and beautiful how different I am. Anyway that’s me

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Anonymous OP 4w

okay even then, correlation =/= causation, it could be some other aspect you didn’t account for, where’s your study, what are your parameters, what is your proof?

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Anonymous #8 4w

When i start having a community that agrees with me, i feel better, therefore everyone ought to join my community and agree with me ✅

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Anonymous #11 4w

Its just goofy

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Anonymous OP 4w

He has made me sob in the shower regularly as a teen wondering why he made me attracted to other women and asking why exactly it was wrong and asking him to please show he was even there for a decade to help my disbelief and getting nothing, harmed my relationship with my family, taken up so much of the time I do have on earth, etc. Legit can’t think of anything positive

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Anonymous #10 4w

Nooo #10 thats because the-the-the BAD Chwistians made u feel that way, not the man-god!! The man-god will save you just go all-in on Christianity trust me!

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Anonymous #11 4w

Like Gd literally doesnt speak to us anymore because of the bad behavior of the hebrews, idk why you think he works for you personally when ur literally a blasphemer

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Anonymous #11 4w

I left a crazy lifestyle actually and am struggling to find a community, bc i feel like my journey has been less than conventional

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Anonymous #11 4w

Ive gotten this before 😭 I used to call for him all the time even when I wasn’t even sure if I liked him and remember asking for him to put the love of him into me and nothing ever happened and I just felt more and more like shit 😭

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Anonymous #10 4w

The relief I felt from finally accepting leaving actually feels most similar to what OP is describing in my personal experience

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Anonymous #10 4w

I’m really sorry and can actually relate to a lot of this

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