Anonymous #1 17h

Yeah, because not all rights ought to be universalized and not all rights are inherently good just by virtue of being called a “right”. Not to mention, the state has no proper authority to dictate whether gay people can get married to begin with, as marriage was created by God for man and woman, not man and man or woman and woman

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Anonymous OP 17h

Marriage existed before the bible

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Anonymous OP 17h

lol chud. I should go sloppily make out with another man

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Anonymous #1 17h

God predates the Bible

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Anonymous OP 17h

Homosexuality predates God.

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Anonymous #3 17h

What’s the purpose in even writing that, there’s no substance, it’s just you being rebellious and immature

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Anonymous OP 17h

God isn't real so it really doesn't matter anyway

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Anonymous #1 17h

Reject Him if you wish, I can’t stop you, but God exists independently of your opinion on the matter

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Anonymous #1 17h

I implore you to repent and believe the Gospel

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Anonymous OP 17h

Proof other than the bible?

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Anonymous #1 17h

You act as if atheism is the historical majority, despite it being a blip on the radar of time, as after all even the pagans believe in the divine in some manner. Ultimately the Bible is the special revelation of God, but general revelation (that is, creation, I.e. the natural world and such) reveals much as well. Ultimately there are various arguments for God, which you can look into, but it’s the Word of God and the preaching of the Gospel that God works through to call His lost sheep

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Anonymous OP 17h

So no evidence just like every other religion

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Anonymous #1 17h

I never said that. There is plenty evidence, from the Hittite findings, the Roman and Jewish sources corroborating Christ’s existence, to the world around us and its creation, to even the many philosophical arguments. But let’s be honest here, I won’t be able to convince you here on Yik Yak, and you have no intention of truly searching to know and have no intention to ever change from your ways, at least at this moment here on Yik Yak

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Anonymous OP 16h

lol your argument is “all the people in the Bronze Age were more correct.” I would like to introduce you to germ theory in that case

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Anonymous #2 16h

When I said Hittite findings I meant the modern rediscovery of the Hittites, but regardless. The only actually fruitful thing I can do is implore you to repent and believe the Gospel. “The way of an ignorant fool is right in his own eyes, But a wise man is he who listens to counsel.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭12‬:‭15‬ “For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭6‬:‭23‬

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Anonymous OP 16h

“please believe in god with no evidence”. clown.

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Anonymous #4 16h

I gave examples of evidence, however there’s no fruitful end on Yik Yak, where everyone just comes to argue and not change their mind, so there’s no reason to go in depth for depths sake

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Anonymous OP 16h

I implore you to repent and return to reason.

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Anonymous OP 16h

no no. prove god exists. Jesus of Nazareth was a real person in much the same way that the profit Muhammad was a real person. their mere existence is not indicative of a higher power. prove that god exists.

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Anonymous #4 16h

People, like you, depend upon logic and morality, showing that they depend upon the universal, immaterial, and abstract realities which could not exist in a materialist universe but presupposes (presumes) the existence of an immaterial and absolute God by which these things came into being.

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Anonymous OP 16h

Therefore, God exists. If He didn't, we could not rely upon logic, reason, morality, and other absolute universals (which are required and assumed to live in this universe, let alone to debate), and could not exist in a materialist universe where there are no absolute standards or an absolute Lawgiver.

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Anonymous OP 16h

Under an atheistic framework, you cannot know why humans have a sense of right and wrong, know that the sun will rise in the morning, and ultimately, know that you have any knowledge of anything at all. Under atheism, do you know for certain that you know nothing for certain?

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Anonymous OP 16h

And if you don’t agree with the statement that you know nothing for certain, then by what metric or standard? And do you know that for certain?

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Anonymous #4 16h

These fundamental realities exist, and are derived from the Logos, which is God, and through which God created the cosmos

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Anonymous OP 16h

Ironically, I am a christian, but I’m a deist and think that God can be understood through reason. I know God because I’ve had empirical experiences with Him. Whenever a church loses its way, he starts another one. He finally gave up on organized religion and gave us secular, democratic government instead. In supporting Christian nationalism, you do the Devil’s work of convincing mankind that they are more powerful and wiser than God. God is pan-national.

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Anonymous OP 16h

I think those exist without God. Easy peasy.

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Anonymous #2 16h

Can’t exactly argue that morality is proof of God when you’re being homophobic, which is fundamentally immoral, and justifying it based on your god

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Anonymous #3 16h

Why do you presume I’m a Christian Nationalist? To do so without evidence to support your reasoning would be irrational, to your view of things I presume, so why presume? I’m not a holder of the United States Nationalist theory, although I would argue that God is not pan-national. God’s chosen nation is the nation of Israel (not to be confused with the modern state) of which the Gentle Elect are grafted into. As for politics, I hold to a Compact view of the United States

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Anonymous #2 16h

Fundamentally immoral by what standard? Also I have no fear of them, I simply follow God’s will regarding the matter

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Anonymous #2 16h

You have to give some form of reasoning or explanation for that

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Anonymous #3 16h

But regardless, it’s not the Devils work for someone to hold to Christian nationalism

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Anonymous #2 16h

By reasoning and explanation, I mean that you thinking those exist while not following God, does not necessarily mean that those things exist independently from God, it just means that you just don’t follow God

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Anonymous #3 16h

Also, Christianity is not a deistic faith. To be a Christian is the same as being a follower of the Messiah (Christos is the Greek version of the Hebrew title Mashiach, that being the Annointed One, the Davidic King, El-Gibbor) and a member of the nation of Israel (again, not to be confused with the modern state). Lord Yahweh, our God, is fundamentally a personal and intentional God, and does not fit with deism, which would hold to a more impersonal god who stays out of worldly matters

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Anonymous OP 15h

Well for one thing not everyone’s a Christian so you can’t point to Christianity as a source second of all lgbtqia+ rights are human rights and it doesn’t effect you personally so fuck off

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Anonymous OP 15h

Again not everyone’s a Christian so no I’m pagan and I very much don’t believe in the Bible

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Anonymous OP 15h

But also again it doesn’t fucking effect you if gay people can get married, your being homophobic and that’s not just disagreeing your just also being a dick

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Anonymous OP 15h

Christian nationalism means someone who believes that Christianity should be the only religion allowed to be worshiped and forces it into aspects of law which the end result is countries like Russia

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Anonymous #5 15h

It doesn’t matter if it directly effects me, although it does in some sense given its my country as well, it ultimately matters independently of me, because it clashes with God’s holy will

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Anonymous #5 15h

I don’t think you’re using nationalism to its fullest extent but sure whatever, my God declares that there shall be no other gods before Him, He alone is to be worshipped. I don’t expect Islam to not see itself as the only truth, or atheism to see itself as the truth. They are simply put wrong

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Anonymous #5 15h

I didn’t say you were a Christian, I was talking to #3 who claims to be a Christian and a Deist

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Anonymous #5 15h

If you’re a pagan then what gods do you serve/worship? I would presume Odin, Thor, and such, just based on which pagan religion is most often seemingly went to, but you also could be a more alive paganism such as Hinduism, or something akin to that. This is meant to be a genuine question not some trap or malice driven question

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Anonymous OP 15h

I’m a Hellenistic polytheist as in the Greek gods

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Anonymous #5 14h

Interesting, I don’t often come across Hellenistic pagans. If it’s of any intellectual interest to you, the Bible doesn’t actually hold that all pagan gods don’t exist at all, contrary to what some think of Christian belief, instead it teaches that many do exist as beings, gods even (varies depending on the being, some are moreso powerful spirits), and that some pagan gods are mere idols of wood and such, it just depends. The distinction is that they don’t exist independently from God,

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Anonymous OP 14h

Instead that they were created by God (whom is Himself uncreated and eternal), and ultimately many of them rebelled and began receiving worship for themselves rather than directing it to God

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Anonymous #5 14h

But it is interesting that you follow Zeus, Mars, and such. Is there any reason (I would presume so) as to why you decided to follow them in particular?

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Anonymous OP 14h

It felt right and I’ve been following them for as long as I can remember :)

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Anonymous #5 14h

Interesting, would it be correct to presume that you continued to follow them after making the initial change, due to those feelings of feeling “right” as you put it? If so, and let me know if that’s not so, might I be so bold as to simply ask, what were the reasons as to why you went from not feeling right and how would you describe how the Olympians changed that? I also, because I am curious, wonder whether the Olympians have the ability to reach the Americas, given their regional nature

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Anonymous OP 14h

And presence. Again, I hope that you do not take these questions as attacks, these are simply questions that I am curious to ask you

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Anonymous OP 12h

Gay marriage enhances the ability for gay people to have happy, fulfilling lives, and harms no one. Being against gay marriage is decreasing our capacity for human flourishing. It is thus immoral.

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Anonymous #2 12h

This is why I believe the Bible is a faulty source of morality. It does not create moral systems based on whether an action causes harm or promotes happiness and flourishing. Instead it’s entirely based on a list of rules. Hence you oppose something harmless like gay marriage, but the Old Testament simultaneously endorses genocide.

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Anonymous #2 12h

1. Genocide is a loaded term, but the Lord God’s will is final ultimately. 2. You use harm and happiness as a standard it seems, but what is that grounded in? How do you quantify harm or happiness in any objective sense or even a moral sense, as that would imply a moral grounding in a non subjective sense for that to work as a universal standard

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Anonymous OP 12h

Suffering bad, happiness good. It’s a subtle system. Not perfect. But better than “here’s a list of rules from the Bronze Age which includes endorsement of genociding the Amalekites”

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Anonymous #2 12h

The Amalekites were wicked and the Lord of Hosts willed it, it’s not hard to grasp, although I know you disagree with it. As for your system, you don’t have any way, at least none you’ve presented, to explain what makes good a real concept and bad a real concept, and how suffering is bad and happiness is good. In reality, God is the ultimate standard, morality ultimately is derived from Him and His law

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Anonymous OP 11h

So… you’re just agreeing with the Amalekite genocide based on “he said to do it.” You kind of just proved my point handily.

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Anonymous #2 11h

Well His will is sufficient

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Anonymous OP 11h

Right. Your line of thinking right now is exactly why I think you have a terrible system of morality.

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