I mean, there’s also a theory that explains that the Big Bang was caused by a big crunch

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Anonymous #5 9w

Yeah I think teachers should teach the moral argument for God How would morals exist without an all-powerful God anyways

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Anonymous OP 9w

This also excludes religions like Hinduism right that don’t have an all powerful God

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Anonymous OP 9w

Morals can come from something as simple as “I don’t like pain so I won’t do it to others”

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Anonymous OP 9w

Well, you see, if we kill people en masse, our species goes extinct.

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Anonymous #7 9w

Pretty much every bit if morality we have can be explained by either “this will negatively impact our species as a whole” or “ew thats gross”

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Why would we teach something that we cant prove is true as fact to children? God causing the big bang is just one of many theories that could be correct

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Anonymous OP 9w

“god is provable” and his argument is the worst apologetic for god lmao 💀

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Anonymous OP 9w

Dawg Confucius made an entire civilization adopt family values centuries before Jesus was born be real

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Anonymous OP 9w

Morality existed on this planet long before the Bible was written

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Anonymous OP 9w

How so? You also literally refuted your own argument in the next sentence. Are you a religious relativist or absolutist? If you’re a relativist, you’ve already explained why your own argument is bunk, and if you’re an absolutist, how is morality imposed onto people in cultures that don’t worship the same all-powerful god, yet have their own systems of morality anyway? Either way, the argument is fundamentally flawed.

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Anonymous #10 9w

Huh

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Anonymous OP 9w

If you don’t understand what I posted, you probably don’t understand enough relative theology to make a strong evidence-based or text-based claim that an all-powerful being exists in the first place (which was evidenced by your first argument).

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Anonymous OP 9w

So wait, I have morals and I don’t believe in god, am I stupid?

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Anonymous #11 9w

No you can have morals you just can’t give a proper account for them

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Anonymous #11 9w

It’s like how people had gravity but couldn’t explain them correctly

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Anonymous OP 9w

As I said before: I do not like pain. Thus, I find it immoral to inflict pain on others. I do not want to die. Thus, I find it immoral to inflict death on others. Do I need to go on?

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Anonymous OP 9w

So wait, are you saying that people say god is a thing when they’re actually referring to a common set of morals that people don’t have a conscious grasp of and need off terminology?

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Anonymous #4 9w

“I don’t like peanuts” “This I find it immoral to have other eat peanuts” Your argument just fails without God How does the “thus” follow from your preference at all!!!

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Anonymous #11 9w

No

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Comparing a force that has no evidence backing it and you havent proven exists to forces that can be modeled and are proven to be consistently correct is definitely logically consistent

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So if it was caused by a force such as gravity, does this mean grqvity is now considered god?

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Anonymous #7 9w

Gravity is ultimately caused by God Is it god? No. Is morality God? Yes God is the good

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Anonymous OP 9w

It’s caused by the warping of spacetime by mass but go off

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Anonymous OP 9w

Prove that

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Anonymous #9 9w

Well that’s caused by the gravitational force

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In that case god just kinda becomes anything you want it to be. Like, if you define god as a really strong force that holds things together, i guess god exists, but its not very helpful as a definition

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Anonymous #7 9w

I mean God isn’t the strong force but he did cause it at least indirectly

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Anonymous OP 9w

Prove it

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Anonymous OP 9w

I can say that Zeus caused it and have the exact same amount of evidence you do

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Anonymous #9 9w

Prove it

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You said we can compare them to realities, which means we can prove them by comparing them to the real world. Therefore, you can create mathematical models and compare them to what we see in reality and see if they hold. You cant do that with the god you were talking about because it would be a single event that we cant recreate

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Anonymous #8 9w

God created everything look at the cosmological argument What created the strong force and what created that and etc until you get to God? God did it simple as that

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Anonymous OP 9w

Exactly, gods aren’t real, glad you understand

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Anonymous OP 9w

And what created god

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Anonymous #7 9w

Nothing he’s God

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Anonymous OP 9w

And why cant you use that same logic for every force in the universe?

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Anonymous OP 9w

“Nothing created the universe, it’s the universe”

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“Something caused the local universe to form” does not get you to “created it” let alone get you to a god existing.

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Except the universe existed before the big bang, so we actually dont know if it has a beginning or end. What we can measure is when the OBSERVABLE universe began, not the universe as a whole.

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They are actually absolutely meaningfully distinct, creation implies creator, but you are presupposing the universe is a creation. It is entirely possible (most likely actually) that the universe formed from natural forces and processes.

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Anonymous #8 9w

Sinner

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Anonymous OP 9w

lol, good troll my man good troll

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I really don’t think people are worshipping natural processes and forces, that is genuinely not anyone’s conception of god

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I think using God is way too overloaded to use that term in public schools if you just mean some generic cause for the local universe That would like be harmful to education and all that would do is be Christian propaganda But instead I think God like one more similar to Christian God is provable so I mean yeah. Jesus saves sude

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Your definition of god can be literally anything. I think its pretty obvious the op of this post meant the christian god, but if youre saying that the big bang was caused by something, i agree with you lol

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I am aware of daoism, it is not common in the slightest in the United States, which we are in the politics channel for. Clearly I am talking about the conception of god among Americans, for which this conception is practically unheard of.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Dude I’m Christian and even I know this is a terrible argument. Non religious people have morals. Uncontacted tribes have moral codes. You don’t need God to have an understanding of right and wrong

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Anonymous OP 9w

This sentence is psychopathic in ways I’m sure you don’t even realize 😭😭😭😭

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Anonymous OP 9w

Brother mass causes the gravitational force not the other way around

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Fine, whatever, define god in the most vague and narrow terms, just further proof that science has killed your god so deeply you are forced to define him as natural forces and processes.

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Cool, most people will laugh at you for calling that a god, atheist and religious person alike. Just be intellectually honest and don’t personify such a force with the word god.

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Anonymous #8 9w

What would you call it?

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Anonymous #12 9w

I would call whatever natural force that resulted in the rapid expansion of the universe what it actually is, not “god”. 💀

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It’s a personification to anyone with two brain cells in their skull

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Anonymous #8 9w

What force would that be?

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Most definitions of gods require intent and a mind. to 90% of people, calling natural forces and processes “god” is a clear example of personification

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Yeah, you’ve simply decided you are the arbiter of what words mean, and decided to ignore all the excellent reasons for you not to refer to natural processes with metaphysical language

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“Spirit or being” lmao thanks for proving my point that was super nice of you

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Of course! My big toe is god, didn’t you know?

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Anonymous #12 9w

We don’t know! Since we cannot observe prior to the big bang, it is very difficult for us to currently understand what results in the formation of local universes

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I mean, if you wanted me to continue arguing you can’t give away that you are a troll 😭🤣

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Fine! The wind is god, my penis is god, my quivering asshole and the shit that comes out of it is god! Yippie!!!

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You do though, I thought your god was whatever you feel like defining it? If he’s the wind why don’t you recognize the divine nature of my cock and balls?

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