Anonymous #1 4w

U.S. intervention can be ok. Everyone thinks U.S. intervention in ww2 was good. The other two I agree.

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Anonymous #2 4w

I’m saying it is bad, I’m saying in general dictators dying under any means is generally good.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

That war was our business though?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Nazi logic

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

There’s a key part of US intervention in WWII missing this time, and that’s been missing every time since WWII. Can you guess what it is?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

“Well actually Hitler is an ally because he fought Stalin who was a dictator” -you rn

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Could it be that the wars being not actually our business?

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

When did I say the war was our business?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

WWII was literally our business

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Anonymous landtrust 4w

What lol? I’m not saying anything is justified to kill a dictator I’m saying in a vacuum by itself it’s good. We’re rlly doing the mental gymnastics for this post.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

Well I was more looking for what made WWII our business but yeah the answer to my question was “a formal attack on US soil”

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

There’s probably multiple differences that’s the point I’m making. My point is not all US interventions are good and not all US interventions are bad. You act like you’re saying something different than me.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

You think its a good thing a dictator is dead? Fucking nazi smh

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Nothing exists in a vacuum so when you apply the backwards “in a vacuum” logic to reality, you find yourself allying with Hitler for the death of Stalin

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Wait so if Japan didn’t attack U.S. soil the U.S. shouldn’t have fought in ww2? What a stupid point.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

Oh I thought you were talking about the current Iran war. Yeah I’m sayin ww2 good, Iran war bad.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

There hasn’t been a good US intervention since 1945, lib

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Anonymous landtrust 4w

Implying that the death of Stalin was a bad thing?

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Anonymous #6 4w

Lmao literally how Nazi like of me.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Yes if Pearl Harbor never happened the us should remain sending weapons and aid to the allies

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Bucket agrees

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Anonymous #6 4w

The backwards DINO sides with Hitler yet again

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Anonymous landtrust 4w

HAHAAHAHA THIS GUY THINKS STALIN’S DEATH WAS A BAD THING

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

That’s not the question I asked. I didn’t ask should they keep sending aid. Should the U.S. not have gotten involved in ww2 if Pearl Harbor never happened?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I don't think killing is ever something to celebrate. Maybe war can be justified, maybe violence can be justified, but it's always tragic

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Ok that’s cool you think that but that also has nothing to do with the point of the post so idk what the criticism is at this point?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

The criticism is that you’re yet another “I oppose every war except the current one” liberal. Which I guess makes sense, given your entire personality is glazing Democrats. And if Republicans are War Hawks, I guess Democrats are like War Owls. Sneakier about it, but absolutely still a raptor.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

But you didn’t though also yes America shouldn’t of gotten involved full on if an attack like Pearl Harbor never happened I mean the war was unpopular with the population but the population was ok at least to send weapons and aid to the allies

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Anonymous #6 4w

You know it’s really funny cuz you had to say it in all caps 😂

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Anonymous landtrust 4w

But I don’t lol, I said it’s bad so you’re just inventing things. This would be like me saying I think Hitler dying is good then you say “so you would kill 1 billion babies to kill Hitler??” Obviously not lol. Again the mental gymnastics.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

Should we not have our soldiers fighting? That’s what I’m trying to get at.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Hey cheese ever heard of a war dove?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

You said you support things in a vacuum, but nothings in a vacuum. So can you say what you ACTUALLY think?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I have nothing against them volunteering:3

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Yeah I’m pretty open I don’t think all wars are bad, I think that’s a pretty common position it’s not sneaky lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Democrats are sneaky because they’ll trot out Dick Cheney, to endorse their candidate whose entire nomination acceptance speech was about being “more lethal” militarily, and said “Iran is our greatest adversary” repeatedly, and then be like “if we would’ve won, we wouldn’t be doing this Iran stuff!” after they lose and the Republicans start doing this Iran stuff that America as a whole has wanted to do for like 50 years now

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Anonymous landtrust 4w

“Stalin was an evil dictator, and his death was a good thing” Agree or disagree

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

Assuming the popularity is there would that mean the U.S. should be involved? I’m saying all else equal but U.S. soil isn’t attacked.

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Anonymous landtrust 4w

I’m not saying things exist in a vacuum I’m saying we can morally evaluate single events and then apply them with other events to come to a conclusion.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Bucket doesn’t like the idea of sending people to die for nothing unlike you also what’s your stance on Vietnam because that was a war buckets father was almost sent to :3?

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

Wait no answer the question

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

You can accept an endorsement without taking on all of their foreign policy. We can be serious lol.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

No just answer the question lol. Was the implication of that supposed to be ww2 was for nothing lol?

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

I’ll talk about Vietnam if you answer the hypothetical. All else equal should the U.S. have gotten involved in ww2 if there was never an attack on us soil?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I mean how I see with the result of Pearl Harbor and the Nazis declaring war on us we had no choice but to join the war It was a true war of defense compared to the events of the early 2000s to today with the war on terror

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

America should not have gotten involved until someone involved us. If you know your history, you know US involvement was inevitable, it was just a question of which Axis country was gonna do some dumb shit and get us there.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Involved fully no but aid wise yes because I am of a similar belief as William Allen White that if the allies fall our neighborhood is next so it’s logical to send weapons and aid to the folks fighting those bastards since it wasn’t our war to fight atm

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

There I answered your stupid question for the idk 100th time

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Before Pearl Harbor, we were aiding the Allies and we had an oil embargo on the Axis, which was devastating their war efforts. It’s not like we weren’t INVOLVED already, we just weren’t FIGHTING yet. Pearl Harbor was Japan retaliating against us for the oil embargo, and is what got us fighting rather than just sponsoring our allies.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Tbh if wasn’t for Germany declaring war on us our fight would of remained in the pacific to put a rest to the sun that is rising

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

Ok that’s kinda insane you don’t care about the doing more to stop the holocaust?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

The Nazi “Final Solution” went into effect mere months before America got involved, and was primarily being committed on the Eastern Front, earlier American involvement would have had minimal impact on it, unfortunately.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Ok but here’s the thing blue wave our population didn’t know what the Nazis were doing behind close doors fuck how’s about we put ourselves in the shoes of 1940s America because realistically you and I wouldn’t even know about the death camps

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Also blue wave is thinking as someone after the skeletons came out of the closet because most Americans weren’t fighting the Nazis because of the death camps

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

That’s not the point of the hypothetical lmao. I don’t want you to roleplay as a 1940s American I’m saying with retrospect should we? I’m pretty sure people were somewhat aware of what was going on probably not that it was that bad.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

Most Americans didn’t know about the camps, but our high ranking officials definitely had intelligence that the Nazis were engaged in ethnic cleansing. They didn’t realize the full extent of it, but they knew about *something* going on. But again, the Holocaust was mostly perpetrated in occupied Poland and the occupied parts of the Western USSR. Places we wouldn’t have gotten to quick enough even with earlier direct involvement.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

1.Again people were aware to some extent 2. I would say it may have been justified bc it’s insane one country is invading literally of their neighbors and that presents an existential threat which you already accepted.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Nazi Germany wasn’t really viewed as an existential threat to America, contrary to popular belief. Germany was a land war powerhouse, but their navy sucked shit, and we’ve got the Atlantic between us and them.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

I’m gonna die, I’m not asking what dispshits in the 1940s believed. I’m trying to understand your guys’ opinions with the retrospect we have today.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

There were articles written about crimes in Germany from American journalist it wasn’t totally unknown to the American public. My understanding is if you were someone in the 1940s you could probably reasonably put together that some kind of genocide or crimes were going on.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Why would I form my opinions on the issues of the past without contextualizing those opinions into the past? Sure, if I put on my Hindsight Blinders, institute the Manhattan Project 10 years earlier and nuke Berlin in 1939. Sure, why not just completely disregard the material realities of the time period?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Keep in mind the word genocide didn’t even exist yet. It was invented to describe the events we’re talking about now, which were not fully brought to light until the Soviets started liberating death camps. Before the Soviets told us what they’d found in 1943-44, we had no reason to think it was anything other than standard ethnic oppression like so many other countries, including our own, engaged in.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Bc I’m not asking you if you would nuke Berlin lmao. It’s a yes or no question this should’ve been an easy thing idk why we’re playing so many mental games with it. With all the knowledge we have today, US soil isn’t attacked you’re the person who gets to decide, should the U.S. attack Nazi Germany?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

The answer is very simple, I wouldn’t have all the knowledge I have today if I was in charge of things in the 1930s and 40s. That’s the unfortunate reality of doing historical discussion.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

The point of the hypothetical is to see how you guys evaluate foreign policy choices, not how well can you roleplay as a 1940s man lmao.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

No it’s not you can do hypotheticals. Can you not imagine things in your head that aren’t true? I feel like most people can do that lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Some people genuinely dont have the capacity to engage in hypotheticals

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

I’m saying assuming you have all the knowledge.

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Anonymous #6 4w

Apparently lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I mean I’d be willing to get involved earlier if I had all the answers, sure. But that’s a dumb hypothetical, I do not in fact possess a time machine. Shit, if I had all the answers and all the power of the American government in that time period, why wouldn’t I just go back a couple more years and have some spy agency kill Hitler before he took power? Obviously, if someone knew as much as God compared to everyone else around them, they could make the best play.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Ok then just say “yes I would attack Germany” it’s not that deep. I’m not talking about time travel or anything it’s just a hypothetical about one question. I didn’t know hypotheticals would be this hard to get through. The point of my question is I’m trying to get at how you understand policy choices not what would you do with a Time Machine lmao.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

It’s so hard not to be super mean about this lmao.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

you can’t use the holocaust as a talking point, especially since you don’t give a flying fuck about any genocide that’s occurring throughout the world right now.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Idk hypotheticals were this triggering for people sorry lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Bringing up US intervention in WWII is crazy lmao. First, that was the last time that Congress actually voted to declare war (which was my other point). Second, Nazi Germany actually declared war on us after Pearl Harbor and dragged us into Europe. You can be against the Ayatollah while also being against US aggression and intervention, especially when it creates a large possibility of the US invading Iran.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

imo kinda bullshit hypotheticals. trying to use the holocaust as defense as you shill for people who commit and fund genocide. real fucking interesting. you know that your argument could be applied to the modern United States, right? We have concentration camps being formed, ethnic cleansing being perpetuated and escalated, funding and arming genocide across the globe, and much more. it seems like the next natural step is for someone to intervene on American soil, based on this conversation.

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Anonymous #1 4w

That’s my entire point that ww2 was different lol. I already had someone misunderstand the exact same thing on this post. I’m against the current U.S. Iran war I feel like I’ve made that super clear at this point.

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Anonymous #7 4w

especially since at the end of the day, both parties are genocidal no matter how you cut it. there is no lesser evil of genocide.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

why is it much different? There was a time period in which our current actions nearly mimic the growth of the third Reich’s power? ww2 didn’t start like that, it started with a decade of power being consolidated by Hitler and his cronies.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Yeah I’m not pro Trump lol, I think Trump is bad but I think you have to do more considerations than saying bad guy =war. That’s the entire point of my post idk how we’re all getting lost on this despite me clarifying multiple times.

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Anonymous #7 4w

I’m not just talking about our illegal attacks on Iran and other nations, so you know.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

but genocide is not limited to trump. Most major DNC candidates vocally support genocide as well, and even laughed in the face of protestors asking questions about Palestinians during the primaries. trump is our wanna-be dictator revitalizing American white supremacy, but both parties have always been agreed on when it comes to American imperialism and the harm we cause around the globe. hence why we’ve been an ally of Israel since nearly its inception, funding and fueling its colonization.

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Anonymous #7 4w

When did I say that isn’t how ww2 started idk what you’re even responding to?

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Anonymous #7 4w

No I don’t know, what did I specially say that you have a problem with? Let’s just start there.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Omg the rambling

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I’m trying to show you how your critiques of the holocuast in the lens of interventionism applies to our nation as a whole. if we accept what you’re saying, then someone should invade the US in order to topple our genocidal imperialist government. which in all honesty I wouldn’t even be fully opposed to, because we do deserve that treatment, but you see what I mean right?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

this whole post is you moaning and complaining about people who oppose imperialism, as you sit here vehemently defending it like stfu about “rambling” lmao.

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Anonymous #7 4w

When did I moan about people who don’t like imperialism all I said is dictator dead = good?

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Anonymous #7 4w

No I don’t, I think invading the U.S. would be ultra stupid bc it would start a nuclear war among other reasons. You’re just rambling like I said just say what exactly I said that you think is wrong/bad not your weird interpretation of what you think I’m trying to say. Just paraphrase or give an exact quote.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

do you want to address my actual point? what we engaged in was an international war crime that furthered our US imperial empire. it doesn’t matter if you think it’s good that a dictator is dead, we’re violating international law in order to do so. what is your red line for that international law, if you even have one? when is violating international law a dealbreaker? aside from all that, address my point about the correlation between your point and America’s two parties.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

oh but what happened to the talk about “toppling a dictator = good”, or how it was deserved to join the war due to the concentration camps and our knowledge of them, etc? don’t walk back now. Either we apply that across the board to every nation, or we end this convo.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Yes I’ve already said the current Iran war is bad multiple times on this post.

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Anonymous #7 4w

What correlation?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I’ll send you a picture of my previously sent comment, as it seems you’ve already forgotten what I originally talked about in your attempts to immediately lash back with a defense.

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Anonymous #7 4w

I am applying it, I’m also applying nukes and other things like the global economy the fact that you probably don’t need to invade the U.S. to over throw Trump when it looks pretty likely he has a good chance of just being impeached.

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Anonymous #7 4w

It’s not walk back you just aren’t making a compelling point.

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Anonymous #7 4w

And most importantly

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Again, read my comments. genocide is not unique to trump, nor is it limited to him in the United States. either you’re actually against genocide in all forms, or stop weaponizing the term in order to push propaganda in favor of your political party and beliefs. if you give a fuck about genocide, you also give a fuck about democrats endorsing genocide in the form of israel colonizing and ethnically cleansing Palestine, or the growing genocide of trans Americans here at home

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Anonymous #7 4w

We probably just have factual agreement over Israel and Palestine. I honestly just don’t want to get into an I/P debate with a dipshit tbh.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Yes I see the screenshot of the ramble thank you for sending that to me multiple times.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

then stop trying to weaponize the holocaust in your fervent support of US imperialism when you don’t actually give a fuck about genocide. why is it that we only “probably have a factual agreement”, it directly correlates to the point you’ve been making about the holocaust. Two simple questions: do you think Israel should be invaded or intervened in order to stop their genocide? and do you think the US should be invaded or intervened in order to stop our funding of genocide and own genocide?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

It’s easy to fall back to ad hom when you’re incapable of defending your position, huh

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Anonymous #7 4w

and again, if you want to talk about a ramble, go ahead and scroll to see how much you’ve commented lmao

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Anonymous #7 4w

No I’m assuming you’re talking about the Gaza conflict I wouldn’t characterize it as a genocide. Although I don’t think it’s good but I feel like this will turn into a long convo about I/P where you have the chance to ramble about 20 different things.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Yeah I’m pro trans idk why you randomly put that in.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Good thing no one gives a fuck about your perspective on the matter, the UN already has classified Israel as committing genocide against Palestinians. but I know you can’t recognize or acknowledge that because it conflicts with your unrelenting support for the DNC. must be hard, to be both against and for genocide at the same time.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Commenting a lot isn’t a ramble bouncing between multiple incoherent points like you have is a ramble.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Unless you’re also going to declare the UN as “propaganda”

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Anonymous #7 4w

No I’ll respond to you substantially and I have been. I’m just being honest to why I didn’t respond to that point.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

But do you think your perspective is more knowledgeable or important than the entirety of the United Nations? or will you recognize how you’re engaging in genocide apologia?

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Anonymous #7 4w

my entire point is that you’re weaponizing the holocaust for your own personal gain in this conversation while you quite vocally do not hold anti-genocide views.

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Anonymous #7 4w

I do care about genocide again we have a factual difference not a moral difference about what events are genocides. Idk how your connecting it to the holocaust point. No and no, bc I wouldn’t characterize either as a genocide and I think invading nuclear powers should be avoided most of the time. I feel like I already responded to a lot of this but we’re rambling like I said.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I put the comment about us trans Americans in because we’re in the early stages of a genocide being formed against us. That, in addition to the ethnic cleansing of the non-white immigrant population, while limiting further immigration to Europeans and white South Africans primarily, contributes to what I said about genocide here at home.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

no, I do not care how you classify it, address what I asked about the United Nations. Do you think you are more knowledgeable on this topic, or have a more important perspective, than the entirety of the United Nations? Why do you think that you’re able to independently classify Israel as not committing genocide, while hundreds of independent organizations (plus the UN) already stated that they are?

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Anonymous #7 4w

I mean you’re scream right now about my perspective you seem to deeply care. Sure I haven’t seen the recent commission report I’ll read it and maybe I’ll change my mind.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Ethnic cleansing wouldn’t be internal immigration enforcement, if that was true then all immigration enforcement would be ethnic cleansing.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

You claimed to be opposed to genocide, and weaponized the holocaust while doing so; meanwhile you’re sitting here propagating genocide apologia. You can “claim” to be against genocide all you want, but your actions speak louder than words as you sit here claiming that Israel isn’t committing genocide. some food for thought.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

is that why you misconstrued my statement? ethnic cleansing absolutely is what’s going on, hence why they’re not only enforcing immigration but also targeting specific non-white demographics, closing asylum and other immigration pipelines, and expanding immigration opportunities for Europeans and white South Africans specifically. again, engaging in apologia isn’t a good look after weaponizing the holocaust.

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Anonymous #7 4w

I don’t think I have to agree with international bodies factually. That’s fine if you want to say the UN is more knowledge than me I would probably agree but that doesn’t mean I have to agree. I’ve moved back and forth on the Israel Palestine conflict multiple times so I don’t make super strong claims about it or rlly post it that much for that reason.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

and we have, regrettably.

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Anonymous #7 4w

I am, is asking a ww2 hypothetical weaponizing the holocaust if I am then you definitely are. I’m only giving words but ok.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

You don’t “have” to agree, but you’re willfully disregarding an overwhelming amount of evidence. so naturally, we’re going to classify you as either a sympathizer or apologist, because that’s the exact behavior you’re engaging in. You’re doing exactly what Americans (and many Germans) did during the early days of the holocaust, like you all were talking about above. they had a limited knowledge of what was going on, and most did not want to believe the reality of the situation, nor its severity

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Anonymous #7 4w

Ok that’s not what ethnic cleansing is, you can not allow in immigrants that’s not what ethnic cleansing is. I agree the Trump admin does go after non-white people that doesn’t mean it’s ethnic cleansing.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

that’s absolutely ethnic cleansing you utter dipshit. “the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area with the goal of making society more homogenous” It’s, by definition, ethnic cleansing. they’re not even hiding it, because they have imbeciles like you to defend it while claiming to be opposed to it.

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Anonymous #7 4w

They’re trying to revitalize and expand systemic white supremacy, this is absolutely ethnic cleansing to that end.

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Anonymous #7 4w

I’m saying I’ll look at the evidence and maybe change my mind I haven’t seen the report from the commission. That’s not me disregarding evidence. You haven’t shown any evidence you just pointed to a UN report I didn’t know existed until right now, which is probably bad for me to have not seen but I’ve been pretty busy lately.

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Anonymous #7 4w

That’s ok sometimes we use words and we don’t know what they mean.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I just gave you the literal definition of the phrase. I’ll find you a UN source though, since you’re willing to see it! Many times when I have this convo, people outright decry the UN as “hamas propaganda” so in all honesty I was expecting that lol

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Anonymous #7 4w

Woah ad hom that means your argument is bad. So if anyone removes people who are staying in the country illegally is that ethnic cleansing? That’s cool you found the wiki definition but you have to contextualize definitions, definitions by themselves aren’t dynamic even though our use of words might be.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Yes pls show me where the UN defines ethnic cleansing as “revitalizing and expanding white supremacy”. I’m pretty sure ethnic cleansing isn’t even a stand alone crime under international law.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

hence why I already contextualized it, you’re just ignoring all of that under the guise of “immigration enforcement” (and me calling you a dipshit wasn’t ad hom, as that wasn’t the defense of my argument, but here’s some ad hom for you: I wouldn’t expect someone who qualifies under “scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds” to be an accurate judge of the various types of authoritarianism and their present forms in the world)

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Dude just give up the arguing, this dude genuinely has a screw loose and doesn’t understand what you are saying

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

You’re implying it exists in a vacuum by sharing your opinion on what exists in a vacuum. Otherwise you wouldn’t have said it because what doesn’t matter you wouldn’t say

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

did I say that the UN classified the US as ethnic cleansing? Or do you just make a living out of disingenuously misrepresenting the comments of others? Also, from the UN itself: https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

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Anonymous #8 4w

Late to the party ahh comment

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Anonymous #7 4w

Also, the UN report on Israel committing genocide: “Israel has committed genocide in the Gaza Strip, UN Commission finds” https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds

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Anonymous #7 4w

Yeah I’m disagreeing with your contextualization bc you’re applying definitions incorrectly. Same me calling you a dipshit was a fact not me defending my position I’m glad you can figure that out for yourself.

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Anonymous #7 4w

I never said you said the UN classified the U.S. as ethnic cleansing, what?

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Anonymous #8 4w

If you’re making the “US intervention CAN be OK” argument in the middle of a Not OK US intervention, then I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say you’re carrying a little bit of water for the empire. Less water than the straight-up pro-war Republicans, sure, but that’s just because Republicans at least have the backbone to be evil. Democrats can’t carry water for shit, because they have no spine, so they do this mealy-mouthed nuance-peddling and equivocation.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

And I never said the UN specifically said this, you’re misrepresenting my previous statements as if I claimed that the UN stated that. yeah I’m going to call you a dipshit lol, I even put the partial definition I provided earlier in quotes

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

I mean fuck, Democrats still won’t call George W. Bush a “murderer” to this day, and that mf killed a million people. But it’s okay because he’s the cute silly grandpa that shares chocolates with Michelle!

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Anonymous #8 4w

The worst part is the fact that they actually end up agreeing that US intervention can be good by saying they would support the allies in WWII through supplying them—psst that’s called an intervention—and then continue to say why it OP is wrong 😭

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Anonymous #7 4w

I’ll clarify my position bc I don’t think I’m being clear on one thing. If you want to say Trump is doing ethnic cleansing then sure I probably wouldn’t super disagree with that. The problem I see is it feels like you’re defining it in way that would include any internal immigration enforcement that’s my disagreement.

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Anonymous #7 4w

That’s fine then no one gaf about your personal definition. Yeah I’m going to call you a dipshit for not following the convo.

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Anonymous #8 4w

Yeah it’s never arguing with the point it’s arguing with what they think my intent is when I make the point.

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Anonymous #8 4w

Like this dude just had an imaginary convo about Iraq and Bush just now responding to you.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Imma be honest, I don’t really get your point. I’m not pro war, I don’t like the drafts which means I really don’t like Vietnam especially because it was a war against the red scare which was stupid to begin with. I do like that we helped the allies with supplies, because like I’ll say again, some U.S. intervention can be good.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Do you think George W Bush should be swinging at The Hague, or not? Just a quick question. Your answer will tell me all I need to know.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Yes Iraq bad.You were totally right in that convo with yourself.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

And to talk about the G.W.Bush, I’ve known lots of people that really don’t like him because of his cruel actions. And for this reason I don’t like 90% of the politicians because they bend over backwards to please another person even if it hurts the American People. The current war in Iran parallels the Afghan war, Venezuela is also the same. We do it for the resources, and when we finish we leave them with no resources or support. I really fucking hate it.

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Anonymous landtrust 4w

Bro what the hell is that argument 😭

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I didn’t ask if you thought Iraq was bad, did I? I asked if you think George W Bush should be tried and hanged. Should he?

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

I can go on listing dozens of US interventions that were messed up, Iraq is one of them. But you are missing the fact that a U.S. intervention can be good.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Bucket has returned and has notice why bucket hates blue wave again your genocidal apologist stance disgusts me

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

If you had the power, would you move to have George W Bush tried and hanged? Let’s see if you can do hypotheticals.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Oh now we understand how hypotheticals work weird how that happens.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Bro what is this hypothetical 😭, all of us agree that his actions were bad, why are you trying to push him to an extreme on something we all agree with

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

You literally left when you were talking about you wouldn’t intervene directly in the holocaust lmao. Yes the virtue signaling I love it.

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Anonymous #8 4w

The position that war criminals should be hanged is not an extreme.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I left because church service was starting and I consider it rude to be on my phone during service

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

I would need to pray after saying that too that was super messed up man.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I mean I would if I had the context I have now about what was going on but I’m being a history major and putting myself in the shoes of my grandfather and his father

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

Very accurate 1940s man roleplay, very impressive. You even got the racism part down.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

I’d say the hanging of anyone is an extreme

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

Sorry I’m memeing too hard I get what you mean.

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Anonymous #8 4w

That is exactly what I mean when I call liberals spineless. Thank you for the confirmation.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 4w

I try to give you guys more charitably than what you give me I just want you to notice that.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

I can’t answer the question bc if I had a Time Machine I would just stop 9/11.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I’m not asking about a time machine, or for you to apply things only a modern individual could know to the past. I’m asking you: If you had political power in the year of our lord 2026, would you wield it against known war criminals?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

your arrogance in your apologia for genocide is exactly why we criticize people like you as being fascists as well. You may not be pulling the trigger, but you absolutely will sit by and cheer it on. And if you genuinely can’t comprehend the relationship between ethnic cleansing and white supremacy, then I recommend cracking open a history book on the founding of this nation, specifically our genocide and ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

I’m just like you I can only understand hypotheticals if they have time machines in them. I would just use my Time Machine to stop the war crimes before they happened.

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Anonymous #7 4w

I think I’ve been pretty consistently for a ceasefire in Gaza but I’m glad you have a weird fantasy of me in your head. I didn’t say it wasn’t related. I just don’t gaf about what ever personal definition you as a dipshit have cooked up in your head.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Also I never said the genocide of indigenous people didn’t happen but good try on squeezing that in I guess. Maximum virtue signaling I like it. When I argue I like to stand on as many graves as I can so I respect your work.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

A ceasefire doesn’t end genocide, and I cited direct UN documents and releases for you. the only one making “personal definitions” is you, during your attempts to deflect and avoid acknowledging that you’re wrong on any front. Otherwise, go ahead and cite the “personal definition” in question also, did you even look at the article I cited by the UNHR office of the commissioner, in which they described how Israel is guilty of genocide in the Gaza Strip?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I didn’t claim you said that, I recommended you read up on the history of that time period, so you can comprehend the relationship between white supremacy as an ideology and the methods employed to reach its goals.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

for the nth time, please stop disingenuously misrepresenting my previous statements in order to create a perceived “comeback”

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Anonymous #7 4w

Ok where did you get the white supremacy definition then? If it’s not a personal definition. Yes I found it I’m looking through it I’m looking through the intent part since that’s the relevant part.

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Anonymous #7 4w

I’ll probably get through it at some point.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

You’re such a catty little shithead man how you gonna have bad politics AND be generally insufferable pick a struggle

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I never defined white supremacy? I claimed that this country is currently revitalizing and reinforcing systemic white supremacy, and that the new methods of “immigration enforcement” while heavily limiting *who* is allowed through our immigration avenues based on their demographics, is a trait of that revitalization. I never provided a definition for white supremacy though. I welcome you to scroll and reread our conversation.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Again I never said they aren’t related. But thank you for rambling more.

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Anonymous #7 4w

You’ve been misrepresenting mine if anything so I have no charitably for you. It’s very obvious what the implication of that was.

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Anonymous #7 4w

I’m talking about when you referenced white supremacy in your definition of ethnic cleansing dipshit. I don’t think you’re even being bad faith on purpose you’re just not very smart, it’s ok.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I did not define white supremacy, go ahead and take a picture if you’re so confident. I provided a definition of ethnic cleansing, and described how it’s inherently linked to white supremacy and that that’s what we’re seeing today. It’s funny because every time you lie and bullshit, I provide pictures of our previous conversation as support. When are you going to cite anything that you’re referencing? have you looked at the UN article I cited about genocide, since you said you would?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

did you know that it’s not only okay, but it’s admirable, to admit when you’re wrong.

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Anonymous #7 4w

This person is literally just a DNC footsoldier, they’ll never change their opinion unless something gets edited on the Democratic Party’s official platform page. Just zero original thoughts.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Again not saying you defined white supremacy idk how many times I have to clarify the same thing over and over in the same convo. I never disagreed with you on any that. I never said it wasn’t related or any of the other shit you’ve rambled about. Yeah it’s about 72 pages if you knew anything about it you wouldn’t expect someone to read it this quickly. But you like to pretend you’re knowledgeable able things I get it.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

oh I fully agree, I just felt it’s important to emphasize how they’re weaponizing the holocaust while actively engaging in genocide apologia in regards to modern genocides The rest of this is just icing on the cake, they’re just too arrogant to understand it.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

just stop.

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Anonymous #7 4w

I will apologize for missing the last statement of that comment though, I didn’t realize that you already responded about the UN article so that’s my bad for inquiring again!

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mate. enough is enough.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Ok Mr I can’t understand what a hypothetical is.

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Anonymous #7 4w

I have admitted it was wrong of me to have not seen the report yet since I talk about some related things I reposted a screenshot. Good try again though being bad faith I love it.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I’m well aware of what a hypothetical is, I also think some hypotheticals are kinda dumb to engage with. It’s not misunderstanding, it’s discernment.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Yes I was talking about when you referenced white supremacy with ethnic cleansing. I’ve clarified this, again, multiple times.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

I’m not a liberal nor am I spineless, it’s called having morals that I won’t remove just because someone asked me to. I would say that is the opposite of spineless

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

You did engage with it you were just too much of dipshit to engage with it without a Time Machine lmao. You had to invent a backstory so you could grasp how someone from the past can know a thing they wouldn’t normally know. Most people can just imagine that without a backstory about time machines lol.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

That’s why it was funny.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

In which you originally claimed that I provided a “personal definition”, and it took multiple messages of further clarification for us to move past that.

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Anonymous #7 4w

unless I’m mistaken in what you were talking about when you mentioned the “personal definition”, because if that was about the definition I provided for ethnic cleansing, I provided the UN document on ethnic cleansing which reinforced it.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Sure I understand what happened I saw you talking about the definition then I saw your post about white supremacy I assumed that was your definition before I read your reply that wasn’t in my inbox. To clarify, so I understand what you meant by your original comment about white supremacy was saying.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Okay I’m ending this conversation here. I have things to do, and much better ways to spend my time than continually harping over this, especially since I already established my originally intended point regarding apologia and weaponization. if you want to continue this, I’ll come back and respond after i finish some of my hw, but I’m taking a much-needed social break after this convo lmao.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Ahh I see what you mean, I understand that feeling as it happens to me as well, these convos can get quite disorienting after awhile when responses come in while others are being immediately drafted, my apologies for harping on that point! I wanted to acknowledge your response before going to do my HW, but I’ll be back in a little if there’s any others!

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Anonymous #7 4w

Sure this convo doesn’t have to be this pedantic but it’s kinda hard when the other person assumes you’re pro genocide lol. That makes things pretty pedantic and hard to get through.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

That’s not interventionism? We literally got attacked and then Germany declared war on us.

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Anonymous #9 3w

We’re kinda beating a dead horse here dawg 😭

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Anonymous #9 3w

Yeah my point is most people would be ok with us entering ww2 without us being attacked.

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Anonymous #9 3w

See entire above convo

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