Anonymous #1 36w

U.S. intervention can be ok. Everyone thinks U.S. intervention in ww2 was good. The other two I agree.

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Anonymous #2 36w

I’m saying it is bad, I’m saying in general dictators dying under any means is generally good.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

That war was our business though?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Nazi logic

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

There’s a key part of US intervention in WWII missing this time, and that’s been missing every time since WWII. Can you guess what it is?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

“Well actually Hitler is an ally because he fought Stalin who was a dictator” -you rn

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Could it be that the wars being not actually our business?

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

When did I say the war was our business?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

WWII was literally our business

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Anonymous landtrust 36w

What lol? I’m not saying anything is justified to kill a dictator I’m saying in a vacuum by itself it’s good. We’re rlly doing the mental gymnastics for this post.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

Well I was more looking for what made WWII our business but yeah the answer to my question was “a formal attack on US soil”

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

There’s probably multiple differences that’s the point I’m making. My point is not all US interventions are good and not all US interventions are bad. You act like you’re saying something different than me.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

You think its a good thing a dictator is dead? Fucking nazi smh

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Nothing exists in a vacuum so when you apply the backwards “in a vacuum” logic to reality, you find yourself allying with Hitler for the death of Stalin

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Wait so if Japan didn’t attack U.S. soil the U.S. shouldn’t have fought in ww2? What a stupid point.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

Oh I thought you were talking about the current Iran war. Yeah I’m sayin ww2 good, Iran war bad.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

There hasn’t been a good US intervention since 1945, lib

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Anonymous landtrust 36w

Implying that the death of Stalin was a bad thing?

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Anonymous #6 36w

Lmao literally how Nazi like of me.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Yes if Pearl Harbor never happened the us should remain sending weapons and aid to the allies

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Bucket agrees

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Anonymous #6 36w

The backwards DINO sides with Hitler yet again

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Anonymous landtrust 36w

HAHAAHAHA THIS GUY THINKS STALIN’S DEATH WAS A BAD THING

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

That’s not the question I asked. I didn’t ask should they keep sending aid. Should the U.S. not have gotten involved in ww2 if Pearl Harbor never happened?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

I don't think killing is ever something to celebrate. Maybe war can be justified, maybe violence can be justified, but it's always tragic

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Ok that’s cool you think that but that also has nothing to do with the point of the post so idk what the criticism is at this point?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

The criticism is that you’re yet another “I oppose every war except the current one” liberal. Which I guess makes sense, given your entire personality is glazing Democrats. And if Republicans are War Hawks, I guess Democrats are like War Owls. Sneakier about it, but absolutely still a raptor.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

But you didn’t though also yes America shouldn’t of gotten involved full on if an attack like Pearl Harbor never happened I mean the war was unpopular with the population but the population was ok at least to send weapons and aid to the allies

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Anonymous #6 36w

You know it’s really funny cuz you had to say it in all caps 😂

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Anonymous landtrust 36w

But I don’t lol, I said it’s bad so you’re just inventing things. This would be like me saying I think Hitler dying is good then you say “so you would kill 1 billion babies to kill Hitler??” Obviously not lol. Again the mental gymnastics.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

Should we not have our soldiers fighting? That’s what I’m trying to get at.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Hey cheese ever heard of a war dove?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

You said you support things in a vacuum, but nothings in a vacuum. So can you say what you ACTUALLY think?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

I have nothing against them volunteering:3

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Yeah I’m pretty open I don’t think all wars are bad, I think that’s a pretty common position it’s not sneaky lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Democrats are sneaky because they’ll trot out Dick Cheney, to endorse their candidate whose entire nomination acceptance speech was about being “more lethal” militarily, and said “Iran is our greatest adversary” repeatedly, and then be like “if we would’ve won, we wouldn’t be doing this Iran stuff!” after they lose and the Republicans start doing this Iran stuff that America as a whole has wanted to do for like 50 years now

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Anonymous landtrust 36w

“Stalin was an evil dictator, and his death was a good thing” Agree or disagree

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

Assuming the popularity is there would that mean the U.S. should be involved? I’m saying all else equal but U.S. soil isn’t attacked.

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Anonymous landtrust 36w

I’m not saying things exist in a vacuum I’m saying we can morally evaluate single events and then apply them with other events to come to a conclusion.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Bucket doesn’t like the idea of sending people to die for nothing unlike you also what’s your stance on Vietnam because that was a war buckets father was almost sent to :3?

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

Wait no answer the question

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

You can accept an endorsement without taking on all of their foreign policy. We can be serious lol.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

No just answer the question lol. Was the implication of that supposed to be ww2 was for nothing lol?

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

I’ll talk about Vietnam if you answer the hypothetical. All else equal should the U.S. have gotten involved in ww2 if there was never an attack on us soil?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

I mean how I see with the result of Pearl Harbor and the Nazis declaring war on us we had no choice but to join the war It was a true war of defense compared to the events of the early 2000s to today with the war on terror

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

America should not have gotten involved until someone involved us. If you know your history, you know US involvement was inevitable, it was just a question of which Axis country was gonna do some dumb shit and get us there.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Involved fully no but aid wise yes because I am of a similar belief as William Allen White that if the allies fall our neighborhood is next so it’s logical to send weapons and aid to the folks fighting those bastards since it wasn’t our war to fight atm

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

There I answered your stupid question for the idk 100th time

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Before Pearl Harbor, we were aiding the Allies and we had an oil embargo on the Axis, which was devastating their war efforts. It’s not like we weren’t INVOLVED already, we just weren’t FIGHTING yet. Pearl Harbor was Japan retaliating against us for the oil embargo, and is what got us fighting rather than just sponsoring our allies.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Tbh if wasn’t for Germany declaring war on us our fight would of remained in the pacific to put a rest to the sun that is rising

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

Ok that’s kinda insane you don’t care about the doing more to stop the holocaust?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

The Nazi “Final Solution” went into effect mere months before America got involved, and was primarily being committed on the Eastern Front, earlier American involvement would have had minimal impact on it, unfortunately.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Ok but here’s the thing blue wave our population didn’t know what the Nazis were doing behind close doors fuck how’s about we put ourselves in the shoes of 1940s America because realistically you and I wouldn’t even know about the death camps

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Also blue wave is thinking as someone after the skeletons came out of the closet because most Americans weren’t fighting the Nazis because of the death camps

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

That’s not the point of the hypothetical lmao. I don’t want you to roleplay as a 1940s American I’m saying with retrospect should we? I’m pretty sure people were somewhat aware of what was going on probably not that it was that bad.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

Most Americans didn’t know about the camps, but our high ranking officials definitely had intelligence that the Nazis were engaged in ethnic cleansing. They didn’t realize the full extent of it, but they knew about *something* going on. But again, the Holocaust was mostly perpetrated in occupied Poland and the occupied parts of the Western USSR. Places we wouldn’t have gotten to quick enough even with earlier direct involvement.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

1.Again people were aware to some extent 2. I would say it may have been justified bc it’s insane one country is invading literally of their neighbors and that presents an existential threat which you already accepted.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Nazi Germany wasn’t really viewed as an existential threat to America, contrary to popular belief. Germany was a land war powerhouse, but their navy sucked shit, and we’ve got the Atlantic between us and them.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

I’m gonna die, I’m not asking what dispshits in the 1940s believed. I’m trying to understand your guys’ opinions with the retrospect we have today.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

There were articles written about crimes in Germany from American journalist it wasn’t totally unknown to the American public. My understanding is if you were someone in the 1940s you could probably reasonably put together that some kind of genocide or crimes were going on.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Why would I form my opinions on the issues of the past without contextualizing those opinions into the past? Sure, if I put on my Hindsight Blinders, institute the Manhattan Project 10 years earlier and nuke Berlin in 1939. Sure, why not just completely disregard the material realities of the time period?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Keep in mind the word genocide didn’t even exist yet. It was invented to describe the events we’re talking about now, which were not fully brought to light until the Soviets started liberating death camps. Before the Soviets told us what they’d found in 1943-44, we had no reason to think it was anything other than standard ethnic oppression like so many other countries, including our own, engaged in.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Bc I’m not asking you if you would nuke Berlin lmao. It’s a yes or no question this should’ve been an easy thing idk why we’re playing so many mental games with it. With all the knowledge we have today, US soil isn’t attacked you’re the person who gets to decide, should the U.S. attack Nazi Germany?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

The answer is very simple, I wouldn’t have all the knowledge I have today if I was in charge of things in the 1930s and 40s. That’s the unfortunate reality of doing historical discussion.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

The point of the hypothetical is to see how you guys evaluate foreign policy choices, not how well can you roleplay as a 1940s man lmao.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

No it’s not you can do hypotheticals. Can you not imagine things in your head that aren’t true? I feel like most people can do that lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Some people genuinely dont have the capacity to engage in hypotheticals

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

I’m saying assuming you have all the knowledge.

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Anonymous #6 36w

Apparently lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

I mean I’d be willing to get involved earlier if I had all the answers, sure. But that’s a dumb hypothetical, I do not in fact possess a time machine. Shit, if I had all the answers and all the power of the American government in that time period, why wouldn’t I just go back a couple more years and have some spy agency kill Hitler before he took power? Obviously, if someone knew as much as God compared to everyone else around them, they could make the best play.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Ok then just say “yes I would attack Germany” it’s not that deep. I’m not talking about time travel or anything it’s just a hypothetical about one question. I didn’t know hypotheticals would be this hard to get through. The point of my question is I’m trying to get at how you understand policy choices not what would you do with a Time Machine lmao.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

It’s so hard not to be super mean about this lmao.

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Idk hypotheticals were this triggering for people sorry lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Bringing up US intervention in WWII is crazy lmao. First, that was the last time that Congress actually voted to declare war (which was my other point). Second, Nazi Germany actually declared war on us after Pearl Harbor and dragged us into Europe. You can be against the Ayatollah while also being against US aggression and intervention, especially when it creates a large possibility of the US invading Iran.

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Anonymous #1 36w

That’s my entire point that ww2 was different lol. I already had someone misunderstand the exact same thing on this post. I’m against the current U.S. Iran war I feel like I’ve made that super clear at this point.

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Yeah I’m not pro Trump lol, I think Trump is bad but I think you have to do more considerations than saying bad guy =war. That’s the entire point of my post idk how we’re all getting lost on this despite me clarifying multiple times.

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When did I say that isn’t how ww2 started idk what you’re even responding to?

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No I don’t know, what did I specially say that you have a problem with? Let’s just start there.

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Omg the rambling

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When did I moan about people who don’t like imperialism all I said is dictator dead = good?

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No I don’t, I think invading the U.S. would be ultra stupid bc it would start a nuclear war among other reasons. You’re just rambling like I said just say what exactly I said that you think is wrong/bad not your weird interpretation of what you think I’m trying to say. Just paraphrase or give an exact quote.

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Yes I’ve already said the current Iran war is bad multiple times on this post.

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What correlation?

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I am applying it, I’m also applying nukes and other things like the global economy the fact that you probably don’t need to invade the U.S. to over throw Trump when it looks pretty likely he has a good chance of just being impeached.

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It’s not walk back you just aren’t making a compelling point.

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We probably just have factual agreement over Israel and Palestine. I honestly just don’t want to get into an I/P debate with a dipshit tbh.

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Yes I see the screenshot of the ramble thank you for sending that to me multiple times.

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No I’m assuming you’re talking about the Gaza conflict I wouldn’t characterize it as a genocide. Although I don’t think it’s good but I feel like this will turn into a long convo about I/P where you have the chance to ramble about 20 different things.

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Yeah I’m pro trans idk why you randomly put that in.

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Commenting a lot isn’t a ramble bouncing between multiple incoherent points like you have is a ramble.

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No I’ll respond to you substantially and I have been. I’m just being honest to why I didn’t respond to that point.

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I do care about genocide again we have a factual difference not a moral difference about what events are genocides. Idk how your connecting it to the holocaust point. No and no, bc I wouldn’t characterize either as a genocide and I think invading nuclear powers should be avoided most of the time. I feel like I already responded to a lot of this but we’re rambling like I said.

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I mean you’re scream right now about my perspective you seem to deeply care. Sure I haven’t seen the recent commission report I’ll read it and maybe I’ll change my mind.

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Ethnic cleansing wouldn’t be internal immigration enforcement, if that was true then all immigration enforcement would be ethnic cleansing.

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I don’t think I have to agree with international bodies factually. That’s fine if you want to say the UN is more knowledge than me I would probably agree but that doesn’t mean I have to agree. I’ve moved back and forth on the Israel Palestine conflict multiple times so I don’t make super strong claims about it or rlly post it that much for that reason.

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I am, is asking a ww2 hypothetical weaponizing the holocaust if I am then you definitely are. I’m only giving words but ok.

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Ok that’s not what ethnic cleansing is, you can not allow in immigrants that’s not what ethnic cleansing is. I agree the Trump admin does go after non-white people that doesn’t mean it’s ethnic cleansing.

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I’m saying I’ll look at the evidence and maybe change my mind I haven’t seen the report from the commission. That’s not me disregarding evidence. You haven’t shown any evidence you just pointed to a UN report I didn’t know existed until right now, which is probably bad for me to have not seen but I’ve been pretty busy lately.

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That’s ok sometimes we use words and we don’t know what they mean.

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Woah ad hom that means your argument is bad. So if anyone removes people who are staying in the country illegally is that ethnic cleansing? That’s cool you found the wiki definition but you have to contextualize definitions, definitions by themselves aren’t dynamic even though our use of words might be.

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Yes pls show me where the UN defines ethnic cleansing as “revitalizing and expanding white supremacy”. I’m pretty sure ethnic cleansing isn’t even a stand alone crime under international law.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Dude just give up the arguing, this dude genuinely has a screw loose and doesn’t understand what you are saying

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

You’re implying it exists in a vacuum by sharing your opinion on what exists in a vacuum. Otherwise you wouldn’t have said it because what doesn’t matter you wouldn’t say

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Anonymous #8 36w

Late to the party ahh comment

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Yeah I’m disagreeing with your contextualization bc you’re applying definitions incorrectly. Same me calling you a dipshit was a fact not me defending my position I’m glad you can figure that out for yourself.

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I never said you said the UN classified the U.S. as ethnic cleansing, what?

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Anonymous #8 36w

If you’re making the “US intervention CAN be OK” argument in the middle of a Not OK US intervention, then I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say you’re carrying a little bit of water for the empire. Less water than the straight-up pro-war Republicans, sure, but that’s just because Republicans at least have the backbone to be evil. Democrats can’t carry water for shit, because they have no spine, so they do this mealy-mouthed nuance-peddling and equivocation.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

I mean fuck, Democrats still won’t call George W. Bush a “murderer” to this day, and that mf killed a million people. But it’s okay because he’s the cute silly grandpa that shares chocolates with Michelle!

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Anonymous #8 36w

The worst part is the fact that they actually end up agreeing that US intervention can be good by saying they would support the allies in WWII through supplying them—psst that’s called an intervention—and then continue to say why it OP is wrong 😭

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I’ll clarify my position bc I don’t think I’m being clear on one thing. If you want to say Trump is doing ethnic cleansing then sure I probably wouldn’t super disagree with that. The problem I see is it feels like you’re defining it in way that would include any internal immigration enforcement that’s my disagreement.

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That’s fine then no one gaf about your personal definition. Yeah I’m going to call you a dipshit for not following the convo.

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Anonymous #8 36w

Yeah it’s never arguing with the point it’s arguing with what they think my intent is when I make the point.

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Anonymous #8 36w

Like this dude just had an imaginary convo about Iraq and Bush just now responding to you.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Imma be honest, I don’t really get your point. I’m not pro war, I don’t like the drafts which means I really don’t like Vietnam especially because it was a war against the red scare which was stupid to begin with. I do like that we helped the allies with supplies, because like I’ll say again, some U.S. intervention can be good.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Do you think George W Bush should be swinging at The Hague, or not? Just a quick question. Your answer will tell me all I need to know.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Yes Iraq bad.You were totally right in that convo with yourself.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

And to talk about the G.W.Bush, I’ve known lots of people that really don’t like him because of his cruel actions. And for this reason I don’t like 90% of the politicians because they bend over backwards to please another person even if it hurts the American People. The current war in Iran parallels the Afghan war, Venezuela is also the same. We do it for the resources, and when we finish we leave them with no resources or support. I really fucking hate it.

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Anonymous landtrust 36w

Bro what the hell is that argument 😭

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

I didn’t ask if you thought Iraq was bad, did I? I asked if you think George W Bush should be tried and hanged. Should he?

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

I can go on listing dozens of US interventions that were messed up, Iraq is one of them. But you are missing the fact that a U.S. intervention can be good.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Bucket has returned and has notice why bucket hates blue wave again your genocidal apologist stance disgusts me

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

If you had the power, would you move to have George W Bush tried and hanged? Let’s see if you can do hypotheticals.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Oh now we understand how hypotheticals work weird how that happens.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Bro what is this hypothetical 😭, all of us agree that his actions were bad, why are you trying to push him to an extreme on something we all agree with

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

You literally left when you were talking about you wouldn’t intervene directly in the holocaust lmao. Yes the virtue signaling I love it.

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Anonymous #8 36w

The position that war criminals should be hanged is not an extreme.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

I left because church service was starting and I consider it rude to be on my phone during service

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

I would need to pray after saying that too that was super messed up man.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

I mean I would if I had the context I have now about what was going on but I’m being a history major and putting myself in the shoes of my grandfather and his father

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

Very accurate 1940s man roleplay, very impressive. You even got the racism part down.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

I’d say the hanging of anyone is an extreme

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

Sorry I’m memeing too hard I get what you mean.

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Anonymous #8 36w

That is exactly what I mean when I call liberals spineless. Thank you for the confirmation.

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 36w

I try to give you guys more charitably than what you give me I just want you to notice that.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

I can’t answer the question bc if I had a Time Machine I would just stop 9/11.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

I’m not asking about a time machine, or for you to apply things only a modern individual could know to the past. I’m asking you: If you had political power in the year of our lord 2026, would you wield it against known war criminals?

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

I’m just like you I can only understand hypotheticals if they have time machines in them. I would just use my Time Machine to stop the war crimes before they happened.

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I think I’ve been pretty consistently for a ceasefire in Gaza but I’m glad you have a weird fantasy of me in your head. I didn’t say it wasn’t related. I just don’t gaf about what ever personal definition you as a dipshit have cooked up in your head.

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Also I never said the genocide of indigenous people didn’t happen but good try on squeezing that in I guess. Maximum virtue signaling I like it. When I argue I like to stand on as many graves as I can so I respect your work.

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Ok where did you get the white supremacy definition then? If it’s not a personal definition. Yes I found it I’m looking through it I’m looking through the intent part since that’s the relevant part.

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I’ll probably get through it at some point.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

You’re such a catty little shithead man how you gonna have bad politics AND be generally insufferable pick a struggle

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Again I never said they aren’t related. But thank you for rambling more.

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You’ve been misrepresenting mine if anything so I have no charitably for you. It’s very obvious what the implication of that was.

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I’m talking about when you referenced white supremacy in your definition of ethnic cleansing dipshit. I don’t think you’re even being bad faith on purpose you’re just not very smart, it’s ok.

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This person is literally just a DNC footsoldier, they’ll never change their opinion unless something gets edited on the Democratic Party’s official platform page. Just zero original thoughts.

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Again not saying you defined white supremacy idk how many times I have to clarify the same thing over and over in the same convo. I never disagreed with you on any that. I never said it wasn’t related or any of the other shit you’ve rambled about. Yeah it’s about 72 pages if you knew anything about it you wouldn’t expect someone to read it this quickly. But you like to pretend you’re knowledgeable able things I get it.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

Ok Mr I can’t understand what a hypothetical is.

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I have admitted it was wrong of me to have not seen the report yet since I talk about some related things I reposted a screenshot. Good try again though being bad faith I love it.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

I’m well aware of what a hypothetical is, I also think some hypotheticals are kinda dumb to engage with. It’s not misunderstanding, it’s discernment.

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Yes I was talking about when you referenced white supremacy with ethnic cleansing. I’ve clarified this, again, multiple times.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

I’m not a liberal nor am I spineless, it’s called having morals that I won’t remove just because someone asked me to. I would say that is the opposite of spineless

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

You did engage with it you were just too much of dipshit to engage with it without a Time Machine lmao. You had to invent a backstory so you could grasp how someone from the past can know a thing they wouldn’t normally know. Most people can just imagine that without a backstory about time machines lol.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 36w

That’s why it was funny.

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Sure I understand what happened I saw you talking about the definition then I saw your post about white supremacy I assumed that was your definition before I read your reply that wasn’t in my inbox. To clarify, so I understand what you meant by your original comment about white supremacy was saying.

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Sure this convo doesn’t have to be this pedantic but it’s kinda hard when the other person assumes you’re pro genocide lol. That makes things pretty pedantic and hard to get through.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

That’s not interventionism? We literally got attacked and then Germany declared war on us.

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We’re kinda beating a dead horse here dawg 😭

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Anonymous #9 36w

Yeah my point is most people would be ok with us entering ww2 without us being attacked.

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Anonymous #9 36w

See entire above convo

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