Anonymous #1 9w

Well that’s you. I just think it’s a family matter and something the government should never get involved in.

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Anonymous OP 9w

If a child is being denied medical care which has been proven to be the best treatment to avoid fatality, and that child wants that care but is being denied by their parents or guardians, AND that child is showing signs of mental distress leading to suicidal ideation, then that should certainly constitute as neglect…

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Anonymous OP 9w

The problem begins when parents don’t support it because they don’t understand it, and REFUSE to understand it or educate themselves on it. They don’t have the knowledge or expertise to know what is right or wrong in their child’s medical decisions, therefore governing those decisions (or the lack thereof) can lead to medical neglect. If these parents cared about their kids, they’d learn something about what they’re going through and listen to the doctors w/ professional peer-reviewed studies.

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Anonymous #1 9w

Dude when I was that age I’d tell my Mom I was gonna kms if she wouldn’t let me play on the Playstation. Should I have been taken away for being limited on how long I could do that?? Obviously I know that it isn’t exactly the same thing, but my point is children act out, and I don’t think the impulsiveness of a decision like that warrants something as absolute as government intervention. To go as far as to say it’s neglect is overkill for sure.

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Anonymous #1 9w

Well I definitely agree with you there. They should at least do their research and try to understand the child’s perspective. My only dissent from what you are saying is I don’t think the government should be able to get involved.

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Anonymous OP 9w

That sounds like a them problem for not being open minded or educating themselves about their child’s condition and instead just rejecting it. My mom reacted like this when I came out as gay and even though she’s the person I love most in the whole world and extremely accepting now, I still feel hurt over it. It’s hard to be lgbtq+ of any kind and to come out, more hard than it could ever be for the parent.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Buddy, if you genuinely do not know how gender-affirming care works or its process then why are you bothering with talking about it? Genuinely, kid. I’d love to know why you are using your free will to be an ultracrepidarian.

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Anonymous #2 9w

If DFCS got involved every time an adolescent’s feelings were hurt by their parents, the government would be raising every kid in America.

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Anonymous #1 9w

I am literally just saying that I don’t think it’s the government’s place to get involved. Why do you have to blow everything I say out of proportion when I have made such a simple-to-understand claim.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Denying physical or mental health care to a child should absolutely require some kind of government involvement, especially if they’re proven to be at risk of serious harm or death including with suicidal or self-harm ideation

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Anonymous #2 9w

Then I go back to what I said before. Should the government have taken me away because my parents made me go play outside when the weather was nice out even though I’d throw a tantrum wanting to play Playstation saying I was gonna kms? People have different parenting styles, and the government has gotta stay out of that. Government overreach is never the answer, it starts a snowball for way worse things down the road. You take this and then in 20 years they’ll be taking people’s kids..

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Anonymous OP 9w

Your comment very clearly suggested that trans kids are just being impulsive and “acting out” and compared it to yourself being dramatic over PlayStation ban… Idk if you’ve met a kid recently, but it’s hard for them to maintain the same lie for more than a day, let alone an entire psychological assessment that takes over 6 months. That’s not even including assessment that follows for any medical intervention lol. Nothing even CLOSE to “impulsive” about the gender-affirming care process!

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Anonymous #2 9w

over political opinions or not using neopronouns or some dumb shit. There just needs to be a line and I don’t think this scenario warrants the government getting involved.

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Anonymous OP 9w

If you said you were going to kill yourself then your parents should absolutely have taken you to get help, the fuck?

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Anonymous #1 9w

A 14 year old wanting to change their gender can very much be impulsive. Sure, it isn’t always, but it can be. Many people regret their transition, and so it is absolutely a parent’s right to be wary of letting their kid make such a big decision.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Again this is just demonstrating how little you know about the process for gender-affirming care. 😐 At least do SOME research on the topic that you are arguing against before trying to argue against it. That’s like debate 101…

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Anonymous OP 9w

I was a kid acting out. If you genuinely think my parents should have conformed to me bitching about a Playstation, you’re delusional. Hard parenting is necessary in many situations

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Anonymous #1 9w

I know about GAC, I just don’t think a parent not supporting it warrants getting their kid taken. I literally cannot fucking comprehend how you are this incapable of understanding that that has been my only argument in this entire debate.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Indulge me. What is the regret rate for transitioning among trans individuals? Let’s start there. When you find it, pls include the name of the author for that study. Say out of a population of 10,000 total and we’ll use the percentage you find to justify that percentage of people’s regret to the rest of the population’s ability to get the healthcare that they do not regret having.

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Anonymous #1 9w

Around 5% from NIH. With such a large decision though, parents are right to be wary of it. Like I said, you won’t understand the parents’ perspective until you’re a parent—it’s easy to have these opinions of yours from your place.

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Anonymous OP 9w

If I understand that out of 10,000 trans individuals, there were 9,500 who were satisfied with their transition, I’d be more than satisfied to look into it further as a parent to help my child be happy and healthy, with time to make their own decisions as they grow. Puberty blockers just defers puberty until later when they choose to get off of them or choose to move forward in HRT. It gives both the kid and the family time (months to many years) to discuss their future and their medical care.

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Anonymous OP 9w

I am extremely educated on the subject and have a good handful of coworkers who have helped their children transition and have had to help their child with a friend whose parents refused to give their trans kid treatment. It was harrowing, for both that kid, her friend being my coworker’s daughter, and my coworker. The kid just needed professional help and all they got was fucking church camp to “pray it away.“ That’s just so fucking cruel to deny the kid professional help.

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Anonymous #1 9w

You’re wasting your breath. I told you that I agree with you but don’t think the government should involve themselves. You will not change my mind.

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Anonymous OP 9w

New example: Let’s say that a child was suffering from the growth of a benign tumor, which will eventually become fatal. This tumor has always been there and will continue to grow without medical treatment. This tumor needs only hormonal treatment to suppress its growth as patient is a child, and conditions not ideal for surgery until late adolescence. Parents decide to do nothing. Let the tumor grow and kill their child, despite clear evidence of treatment success. Isn’t this medical neglect?

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Anonymous #1 9w

Let me clarify that surgery is not inevitable, as this tumor growth can be suppressed for the child’s lifetime. They do not ever need to endure surgical intervention if they choose to do so upon medical emancipation.

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