Anonymous #1 3w

Dropping this in for absolutely no reason

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Anonymous #1 3w

In Gaza, two decades before the Oct 7th attack was plagued by oppression, brainwashing, terrorism, and the theft of billions of dollars worth of aid by Hamas. The systematic destruction of any peaceful future at the hands of Hamas started after Hamas was elected. As Israel withdrew there weren’t crazy border walls, militant crossings, checkpoints, etc. Gaza had a port, and had an airport. Hamas attacked Israel, an continued to try and smuggle in weapons in every way they could.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Who blew up the airport?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Hamas and other militant groups, sometimes under the guise of manufactured or co-opted “innocent peaceful” groups would stage various demonstrations; like the march of return. The march of return was publicized as some peaceful demonstration, but in reality was thousands of people swarming an attempting to storm a legitimate border; throw incendiaries, rocks etc at troops, try and cut the fence, and other tumultuous acts. Hamas would constantly shoot rockets at civilian areas within two aviv

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Anonymous OP 3w

In Israel, like Tel Aviv.* Hamas dug up pipes used for water, to make rockets, set up rocket launchers in schools, playgrounds, mosques, etc. built tunnels throughout the region, some wide enough to drive a car through. Point being. Imagine if a Mexican cartel was doing that at the border with us. How would we respond.

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Anonymous OP 3w

You know, of all people, I would think the People of *David* would have some sympathy for folks throwing rocks at the soldiers of an army oppressing them. That’s kinda David’s thing, right?

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Anonymous OP 3w

Hopefully we would not respond by waging a war of extermination against all of Mexico.

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Anonymous #1 3w

I mean they know full well that getting hit with a rock can fucking kill you. I think it’s pretty ignorant to infantalize an entire population, and remove their own agency. They make various decision. And it makes shit worse for them. I have incredible sympathy for them, in the way that I have sympathy for a racist kid who got brainwashed into being a bigot. Hamas does more to oppress the Gazan people than the IDF has done.

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Anonymous OP 3w

“Hamas has done more damage than the IDF” where can I get that shit you’re clearly smoking on this fine 4/20

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Countries aren’t apartments

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Anonymous #1 3w

Added context that I had to cut due to character length: Mexico is corrupt and supports the cartel, or is tacitly the cartel itself, as it was in Venezuela. We would go to war with that cartel wherever it is.

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Anonymous OP 3w

That still wouldn’t be a war of extermination in which we indiscriminately carpet-bomb all of Mexico and destroy every single hospital, school, etc. in the entire country. What Israel has done is ridiculous as far as this “Doctrine of Proportional Response” you’re talking about has been going. That defense doesn’t work here.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Hamas shoots and tortures dissidents. The famous al shift hospital I think it was, was well known for being a place for that. Hamas gunned down civilians in the street who were trying to flee southbound via a humanitarian corridor. They stole almost all the aid going into Gaza, they murdered civilians trying to get aid, they gunned them down, beat them in the square, they force civilians to remain in targeted areas to increase civilian casualties. If they try and flee they’re murdered. Idk man

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Anonymous OP 3w

According to your own claims, Hamas is some sneaky minority within an otherwise innocent civilian population. If that’s the case, then you have to send in ground soldiers to go find and kill those guys in a more precise manner. Not level an area the size of Manhattan with about the same population. Imagine if someone completely leveled Manhattan because there was a couple thousand terrorists there. Be fucked up, wouldn’t it?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Tell me you know nothing about how warfare fucking works without telling me. This isn’t fucking Hollywood. It would be easier perhaps if they wore uniforms, distinguished themselves in any way from the civilians… didn’t fight from civilian homes. And didn’t have overwhelming support from the Gazan population. Did you know many of the hostages were kept in civilian homes by civilians, including university professors, doctors and school teachers?

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Anonymous OP 3w

So what would it take for you to level Manhattan? How many Manhattanites would have to be “the bad guys” for you to hit the big red button on it? You tell me.

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Anonymous #3 3w

It isn’t though. Just a snapshot I took 1.5 seconds getting. You too can research your own ignorance away.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Similar principles apply. You wouldn’t let someone in who’s trying to kill you. The fuq

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Anonymous #1 3w

Depends on what kind of warfare is going on. War is a 360/180 environment. Especially in packed urban environment with the extensive terror infrastructure built up over the decades. Dismantling it or denying the enemy angles of attack is standard practice, an a grave mistake if you don’t. I truly don’t think you guys can comprehend the level of intricacies or the true fucking evil Hamas is capable of. Honestly I’m glad in a way you can’t because it means you’ve grown up in relative peace.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Exactly what white South Africans sounded like about the ANC in the early 90s before apartheid fell btw

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Anonymous #1 3w

The problem is, South African apartheid and the history of Israel are NOT the same.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I wonder who propped up Hamas to undermine the PLO’s efforts at a unified Palestinian state

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Anonymous OP 3w

Massacring civilians because they threw rocks? Surely there’s no other analogues to that in history.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Bro did you downvote me proving you wrong? Looool clown.

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Anonymous #2 3w

Someone wrote an opinion? Cool pivot that is completely irrelevant to the facts on the ground now

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Anonymous #2 3w

Not remotely the same type of incident.

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Anonymous OP 3w

The PLO has moderated itself and is now pursuing the creation of a Palestinian state. Netanyahu doesn’t want that. Peace with a Palestinian state means Israel can no longer expand. That’s why Netanyahu encouraged the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin. Funneling money to Hamas to increase their power means there’s an active militant group that is undermining the PA’s legitimacy, and provides justification for further expansion and ethnic cleansing.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Oh? The protesters at sharpeville threw rocks at the police. The ANC had active militants at the time. How do you feel about they are different?

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Anonymous #2 3w

The PEOPLE don’t want a Palestinian state if it means recognition of Israel. That’s what the chant “from the river to the sea” means. ABBAs hasn’t held an election in how long?? Why? Because Hamas would win. Come back to reality and deal with it like the rest of us.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Such a mystery why people would turn to a more radical group after the attempts of the PLO at compromise have led to settler expansion in the West Bank and the unpunished murders of hundreds of residents there by settlers and IDF. Perhaps if Israel actually agreed to create an independent democratic Palestinian state then people wouldn’t view the PLO’s methods as ineffective.

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Anonymous #2 3w

I can’t believe that watching settlers displace families and soldiers execute children would radicalize people. Crazy how that works huh.

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Anonymous #2 3w

The only families getting displaced now are families of terrorists. Or actual squatters. In 1948 when Jordan illegally annexed the WB, they ethnically cleansed the entire region of Jews. Jews that owned homes and property going back in some cases thousands of years. The PLO has a “pay for slay” program where they pay in some cases ultimately millions to the family or the people that commit terrorism against Jews. So as a result, bye bye house. Do I agree with it? Nah, but 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Anonymous #2 3w

8; Israel actually agreed to make an independent Palestinian state” It’s almost like they have. multiple times Most notably right before the second intifada. You should look up that, the Oslo accords, and the Palestinian/arab league’s “3 No’s”. It isn’t the Israelis that don’t want peace and to live with neighbors, it’s the Palestinians.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Have you heard of the Herero and Nama genocide? It’s widely recognized by Israeli academia as a genocide and is generally considered a precursor to the methods used in the Holocaust.

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Anonymous #2 3w

In German Southwest Africa, indigenous Africans revolted and massacred a few hundred German colonists. In response, Germany eradicated almost all of the Herero and Nama ethnicities. They cracked down on the rebelling communities, driving them into the desert. They executed all the men and older boys they could catch, and sent the women and children to concentration camps, where many died.

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Anonymous #2 3w

Those who remained were enslaved en masse. Laws were passed limiting their freedoms, and their land was confiscated and sold to German colonists. I say this because “we need to crack down on rebels” is one of the most common motivations for genocide. And your view that surely every family killed or displaced by a settler must have asked for it shows that you buy into genocidal ideology.

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Anonymous #2 3w

It’s blatantly untrue that everyone being victimized by a settler was somehow responsible for some past crime. But you don’t care about whether that’s true or not.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Heyyyy what nationality was the guy who killed Yitzhak Rabin for trying to do those accords? And what politicians were actively calling for his assassination? It’s the guys ruling Israel now. The people in power now are those who opposed peace at every turn in the past. They opposed Sinai and Gaza withdrawal and they opposed the Oslo accords.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I wonder why Hezbollah exists. Let’s ask PM Ehud Barak why don’t we? “When we entered Lebanon, there was no Hizballah. We were accepted by perfumed rice and flowers by the Shi’a in the south. It was our presence there that created Hizballah.”

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Anonymous #2 3w

That’s not at all what I’m saying. Though that strawman is kinda ironic coming from someone who would probably blame any attack on an Israeli civilian their fault for “being a settler” or whatever

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Anonymous #2 3w

The main precursor for the holocaust, was the Armenian genocide. It was systematic and documented. The methods of ottoman Turks were similar to the early days of the holocaust before the extermination became industrialized. I’m not very well versed in the Herero genocide. But other genocides existing doesn’t mean that the war in Gaza IS one.

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Anonymous OP 3w

The Herero and Nama genocide dates to before the Armenian genocide. And importantly, it was also committed by the German government, who pioneered their own use of concentration camps which were first developed by the British for the Boer wars.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I wouldn’t say it’s the fault of those individual people. But it’s a predictable result of settler colonial policy. Massacre attacks are a very common response to settler colonialism. Namibia, Australia, Canada, the USA, South Africa, Argentina, New Zealand (the list goes on).

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Anonymous #2 3w

Settlers themselves are usually just seeking a better life. One typically has to be pretty desperate to risk being a settler. That doesn’t undo the harm they cause. And they’re often used expendably. The most desperate and expendable people are put onto the colonial frontier. It’s no coincidence that the Israeli government primarily settled Mizrahim in peripheral settlements during the refugee crisis of the 50s, while putting immigrating ashkenazim in established cities.

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Anonymous #2 3w

Wha was the larger colonial power that these “settlers” were a part of? You can’t say Britain, because may did not come from there, nor did they wish to be British or alligning themselves with England. England just was the custodian of the land, and in fact they on multiple occasions barred Jews from immigrating, and abandoned Israel leaving them to fend for themselves after being attacked by th Arabs

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Anonymous OP 3w

Settler colonial projects can be independently conducted. Those prior to 1948 were not in the service of a larger power, but it was still colonization. It was called the Jewish Palestine Colonization Society after all. Theodor Herzl, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, and even David Ben-Gurion articulated it as a settler colonial effort.

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Anonymous #2 3w

There are numerous other examples of settler colonialism which were undertaken by independent organizations or companies for various reasons. Liberia for example, as well as Jewish and Welsh settlement in Argentina, modern Mennonite settlement in South America and Angola, and German settlement in Palestine. From 1948 onwards the Israeli state itself is the colonial power.

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Anonymous OP 3w

It’s broadly considered that a large motivating reason for why the British completely evacuated all military forces prior to the Israeli Declaration of Independence was because the Irgun had executed a pair of British sergeants in 1947 and booby trapped their hung bodies. Did you expect the british to help after that?

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