Anonymous #1 4d

like atp we’re building nurseries, picked a name, had a gender reveal or a baby shower, we’re making lists for a hospital bag for when labor starts, if theyre not in the hospital for complications already. thats a huge physical and emotional AND financial investment for 6-8 months, if the baby could be born alive and healthy (bc i do support mothers who learn of genetic illnesses making that choice) they wouldn’t even have the option of late term presented to them. such a silly fake issue

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Anonymous #4 3d

It’s closer to 2% according to the Lozier Institute

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Anonymous #3 3d

That's the US philosophy ngl! We've been following it since the very beginning

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Anonymous OP 3d

babies are worthy of life

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Anonymous #2 3d

more so than their mothers? you don’t give a fuck about “life”, you care about oppressing people and forcing births in unsafe households.

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Anonymous #2 3d

Are you sure you want to die on that hill? We can pull out the statistics. 92.8% of abortions happen before 13 weeks, 6.1% between 14 and 20 weeks, and 1.1% happen after 21 weeks. If we zoom in even further, 78.6% occur at 9 weeks or earlier with 40.2% happening within the first few weeks. "Late term abortions" as a crisis is fabricated Republican propaganda. It's simply not a statistically significant issue.

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Anonymous #2 3d

You wanna talk about what proportion of that 1.1% is life saving or do you realize how insignificant 1.1% is?

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Anonymous #2 3d

That's not what anyone said. I can't see a single comment that says "babies are not worthy of life" so don't come up here making lazy ass straw men to argue with

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Anonymous #5 3d

that’s thousands of late term abortions being performed annually which isnt insignificant

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Anonymous #6 3d

They’re worthy of life just like the mother is actually. I don’t think you should just get to end an innocent human life because you don’t want the responsibility

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Anonymous #5 3d

If you think it’s completely up to the pregnant woman whether or not their baby deserves to be brought into the world then that’s effectively stripping the baby of its right to life unless the mother says otherwise, which is insane

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Anonymous #2 3d

And who said that, aside from yourself? I called you out for valuing unborn fetuses over grown humans with an established social sphere and life

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Anonymous #6 3d

you sure did! baselessly i might add

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Anonymous #6 3d

and pro choicers do believe that someone can just end a developing life if they don’t want it, fym “and who said that?” the pro choice movement

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Anonymous #2 3d

Go ahead and show me where? just making up bullshit to avoid addressing the actual critique of you within my initial comment. you dumb fucks advocated to revoke roe v wade, which had the inherent limit of viability (if a fetus is viable, it cannot be aborted unless continuing the pregnancy risks the life of the mother; well that WAS the case until you stupid fucks came back along)

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Anonymous #6 3d

Show you where what lol, all that shows is that i said babies are worthy of life and then you baselessly came at me. there are more clinics and resources than there are planned parenthood’s, don’t let the media or your emotions get the better of you. calm down

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Anonymous #2 3d

“baselessly” the entire conversation is regarding abortion and how people are not carrying babies up until the 3rd trimester just to “change their mind” or some shit. you came in here trying to play the perceived “moral high ground” card, don’t act like we can’t tell what your intentions were. now answer the question, is the life of a FETUS more valuable or important than the life of its mother, especially while in the womb? don’t run from the question like a cowardly rat.

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Anonymous #6 3d

what’s baseless is acting like every late-term abortion is only about the mother’s safety—that’s just not true. Some women don’t even realize they’re pregnant until much later, it’s just not accurate to say it’s one single scenario in every single case Me saying babies are worthy of life does not mean mothers are less valuable, and I already said both matter. You’re arguing against something I never said. try again

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Anonymous #2 3d

The "baby" is an underdeveloped system of cells that cannot sustain itself without the mother. It's not a baby. Babies are born.

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Anonymous #5 3d

Unborn developing baby = still worthy of life. + we’re all made of cells, pro choice ppl love to try and dehumanize humans in the womb tho

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Anonymous #2 3d

keep trying to utilize DARVO, it ain’t working out for you. no one claimed an unborn FETUS(assumingly, because most abortions happen to zygotes, before 6 weeks, also get the fucking word right if you want to discuss this topic. A baby exists outside the womb) does not deserve life, but as I’ve been repeatedly trying to ask you, are they more worthy of life than the mother bringing that fetus into the world?

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Anonymous #2 3d

We are made of light creating interference patterns in the energy states of quantum fields. We are made of the same stuff as stars. You cannot use that to nullify actual reasoning with actual basis. If the life cannot exist biologically without the mother the mother inherently takes precedent, but that would mean rejecting patriarchy and you bitches ain't ready for that

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Anonymous #2 3d

why are you still avoiding that very direct answer. if it came down to a situation where you have to save either the mother, or the developing fetus, who are YOU going to save? a mother with existing complex connections and relationships within the world, or the developing fetus who hasn’t even left the womb yet?

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Anonymous #6 3d

I’m not avoiding the question you just don’t like the answer. I’ve already said both the mother and the baby are equally valuable. In a true life-or-death situation, of course doctors try to save the mother, like that’s basic medical reality. That doesn’t therefore mean that the baby is “less worthy” of life. And stop acting like every abortion is some tragic emergency lol, most aren’t. you don’t get to use extreme edge cases to justify everything else

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Anonymous #5 3d

I don’t believe that dependency determines value. Just because a child relies on its mother doesn’t mean their life is disposable. “Precedent” doesn’t equal permission to end a life because it’s unwanted

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Anonymous #2 3d

Not a child. A system of cells that cannot function without its mother’s body

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Anonymous #5 3d

early stage human and again dependency doesn’t determine value

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Anonymous #5 3d

+ “system of cells” is an accurate description of literally every human being

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Anonymous #2 3d

That’s not how biology works.

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Anonymous #5 3d

It quite literally is how biology works

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Anonymous #2 3d

So you would define a human as a system of cells? There is nothing more to us that makes us human??

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Anonymous #2 3d

Do you know how many people there are on this planet?

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Anonymous #2 3d

Do you know how frequently people die and are born?

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Anonymous #5 3d

You’re acting like “system of cells” makes someone not human, when that’s exactly what every human is. The only difference is development stage

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Anonymous #2 3d

So there is no difference between you and a zygote or a fetus?

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Anonymous #5 3d

development stage which i just said

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Anonymous #2 3d

At what stage did you stop developing?

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Anonymous #5 3d

When you turn 25

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Anonymous #2 3d

So when you turn 25 you just come to a standstill and remain in a fixed state?

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Anonymous #2 3d

Does time just stop when you turn 25?

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Anonymous #5 3d

That’s the average age when your brain becomes fully developed

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Anonymous #2 3d

That’s not what I asked

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Anonymous #5 3d

Lmao what are you saying, why would time stop when you’re fully developed

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Anonymous #2 3d

“fully developed” is an oxymoron. I know it’s subtle, but you can’t deny that when you realize.

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Anonymous #2 3d

Do your experiences not change you? Do you not grow or develop from them?

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Anonymous #2 3d

There is no such thing as fully developed. You can always develop more

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Anonymous #5 3d

You just proved my point. If “fully developed” isn’t even a real cutoff, then there’s no stage where someone suddenly becomes worthy of life. So using development to determine value doesn’t work

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Anonymous #2 3d

This has never been an issue of determining value. That value is inherent. It’s a matter of weighing the value.

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Anonymous #5 3d

If human life has inherent value, then ranking one life above another is a contradiction. So what standard are you using to decide whose life matters more

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Anonymous #2 3d

There is no reason why the literal creator of life should not recognized for being inherently precedent. The idea that a mother cannot choose whether to create life itself is a violation of nature. The universe is eternally creating itself. In that sense the universe itself is feminine.

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Anonymous #5 3d

Creating a child doesn’t give you ownership over their life or the authority to decide if they live or die

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Anonymous #2 3d

IT IS NOT A CHILD

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Anonymous #5 3d

Changing the wording doesn’t change the biology/reality

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Anonymous #2 3d

92.8% of abortions happen before 13 weeks, 6.1% between 14 and 20 weeks, and 1.1% happen after 21 weeks. If we zoom in even further, 78.6% occur at 9 weeks or earlier with 40.2% happening within the first few weeks. That is far before anything remotely close to a child has even been created.

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Anonymous #5 3d

You’ve already said value is inherent so the timing shouldn’t matter. Earlier stage doesn’t make a life less valuable

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Anonymous #2 3d

No dude if reality is constantly developing that means timing is everything

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Anonymous #2 3d

Let me remind you AGAIN: This “life” you’re talking about cannot sustain itself. Without the mother there is no life.

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Anonymous #5 3d

Change over time ≠ change in value

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Anonymous #5 3d

And again I don’t agree that dependency determines value. Clearly we disagree on that

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Anonymous #2 3d

There is no consciousness yet. The soul is not inhabiting the body yet. Just a bunch of cells waiting for an outcome.

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Anonymous #5 3d

you’ve now moved from stage of development, to dependency, to timing, and now to consciousness. None of those consistently determine value

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Anonymous #2 3d

Change in time very much does mean change in value. I would have not even remotely as much practical value to humanity if I were even my child self. My flesh has zero value until my soul is inhabiting it

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Anonymous #2 3d

They ALL determine value.

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Anonymous #2 3d

THEY ARE ALL FACTORS OF THE EQUATION AND YOU AREN’T EVEN WILLING TO DO THE MATH

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Anonymous #2 3d

Reality is entirely created. WE chose value. If a mother has chosen that bringing life into the world is not valuable in a given moment, she is right.

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Anonymous #2 3d

There are so many reasons to accept this and you aren’t willing to even listen to any of them. This is on you. I’ve said everything there is to say and you’re still stuck so maybe now is not the time. Good luck to you in life.

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Anonymous #5 3d

If value is just something people decide, then there’s no real standard for human worth. We clearly don’t agree on that

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Anonymous #2 3d

You clearly don’t understand the concept of free will as foundational.

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Anonymous #5 3d

It just comes down to that I believe human life consistently has inherent value, and you do not. Good luck to you as well

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Anonymous #2 3d

That’s not what it comes down to at all. I’m glad to know you weren’t hearing me at all. Makes me feel a lot better about disengaging. I hope you learn to grow.

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Anonymous #5 3d

That is the core disagreement here though, you claim life has inherent value but then say value is dependent on timing, usefulness, and dependency. You’ve been inconsistent and I hope you come to see that as well. Best of luck again

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Anonymous #2 3d

It’s really not though. Value has magnitude. Your logic is saying the fetus has value so it must be the most valuable as though the mother’s life does not also have value. All life has inherent value. That means anytime some sacrifice is inevitable, it must be done intentionally. I hope you can grow to understand this.

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Anonymous #2 3d

the irony of YOU saying “you don’t get to use extreme edge cases to justify everything else” is fucking crazy.

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Anonymous #6 3d

so extreme of me to say babies are worthy of life lol

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Anonymous #2 3d

Suuure, because that’s *all* you’re saying, right? disingenuous as fuck

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Anonymous #6 3d

Yep that’s my entire point

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Anonymous #2 3d

whatever you say, conversation history be damned ;)

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Anonymous #6 3d

If you have a point feel free to make it ;)

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Anonymous #6 3d

But if you’re just rage baiting no worries hope you find something better to do with your time

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