Anonymous full.metal.everything. 1w

^my thought as well unfortunately. There’s also usually an aim to show some mercy to the enemy in the name of healing a nation, the fear is that heavy handed justice would create further divides. Tough to figure out where to draw that line tbh

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Anonymous full.metal.everything. 1w

Well that’s precisely why, we have to avoid making that mistake again.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

yeah. it's a tough puzzle to crack. in my opinion the punishment should be capital for the leaders, less so for the footsoldiers.

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Anonymous #3 1w

I don't have enough faith in man for that to happen. It would be sick if that happened and this generation broke the cycle, however.

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Anonymous full.metal.everything. 1w

Yeah 100%. Little to no mercy for the leaders but short and humane prison sentences for most foot soldiers

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

Human sure, short no.

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Anonymous #3 1w

Idk I feel like 1-2 years is appropriate for people who didn’t commit additional crimes besides working for ice. What would your number be?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

At least 5 plus some program of reeducation. ICE wasn’t just a job. They were raping and murdering people, participation in such an organization, even if you don’t do those acts yourself is a serious crime. Mid and up leadership would be looking at substantially longer sentences depending on specific charges and death for all national level leadership.

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Anonymous #3 1w

Idk I don’t want to sound like too much of an ice apologist but I just don’t think foot soldiers who didn’t rape or beat people should get that much time. Part of this stems from my belief that prison should be about rehabilitation, not purely retribution. What about those extra 4 years behind bars would better rehabilitate them to be able to be part of society again?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

If you contribute to the machine, you deserve a portion of the pain that machine inflicted as consequence. Not everything for these guys should be "easy" rehab. True rehab for participating in a masked, criminal militia is being made to feel the same fear your org inflicted on others, however nominal it your participation was.

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Anonymous #3 1w

deny the reality of mankind's inability to properly address things more than 5 years in the past at your own peril. the US did it with WW2, the Tuskegee program, slavery, Jim Crow, the illegal deportations of millions of Mexican immigrants pre WWI, etc. ad nauseum. we never properly reckoned with any of these things. that's why they keep happening.

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Anonymous full.metal.everything. 1w

I mean a year behind bars isn’t easy rehab. It gives them a chance to contemplate their actions for 365 days, miss all the birthdays, holidays, kids sporting events…etc without requiring us to house all former ice offers for half a decade. Do you genuinely believe that 5 years vs 1 for the lowest level ice offenders (simply enlisted) will be better for society as a whole?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

Because I get the anger and desire for vengeance and whatnot but I don’t think 5 years for regular enlisted folks is the way to go. The example should be made of the monsters who orchestrated it, anyone between foot soldiers found guilty of abuse to Stephen miller himself.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

Believe me I am not someone who would ever want to downplay the horrors of what ice is doing to America. That being said though, ice mass deportations in 2026 are not WW2, it’s not the holocaust, it’s not slavery. It has the possibility of becoming closer to those things if we don’t get it in check but it isn’t there yet in terms of lives destroyed. As such I don’t believe that anyone would benefit from every last ice officer being locked up for 5 years. Punish the leaders severely and allow

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

The chance for regular enlisted folks who did it for a paycheck and thought they were law enforcement to sit in prison for a year, learn and reflect, and then reenter society

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

respectfully dawg by calling for such light punishment you are downplaying the horror they inflict. people will live with the fear and ptsd inflicted on them by DH for the remainder of their lives. a year bid is not that hard. people get that for drug possession. men willing to participate in such a monstrous thing are not trustworthy, and at minimum deserve a longer sentence than somebody caught with fetti or h

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Anonymous full.metal.everything. 1w

Well that’s sort of my point, many of them aren’t inflicting horrors on people, they’re just going around making arrests in a job that they see as law enforcement. Because technically it is, much as you or I would disagree with that title. They’re not pushing people into gas chambers. Writ large the ethic cleansing of immigrants from America is a horrific thing but that isn’t the goal or even a consideration for many who are just poor and need the paycheck.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

Should they have known better and taken more responsibility for the harm they enable? Absolutely. That’s why they deserve jail time. And again, anyone found guilty of anything more than simply being a member of ice deserves far more time.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

I don’t think that existing overly harsh sentences for drug possession should inform us on the best policies to make here. 1 year in prison is absolutely not trivial; you will emerge a changed person. In my belief 5 years is the sort of time that will create hordes of angry extremists who will always be resentful that they had to give up half a decade because they worked in law enforcement that was legal at the time

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

Also I’m gonna make a poll abt this because I’m really curious what the general consensus is, it’s been super interesting to hear your thoughts on it

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

these aren't simple arrests- they are often conducted brutally and illegally, and they result in folks getting sent to sloven and dangerous concentration camps. if you're party to that, you deserve serious consequences. if somebody's willing to give up their humanity for a paycheck, that's on them. how they percieve what they do does not negate the damage. that's a justification even more shallow and vacuous than the nuremberg defense.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

yeah a poll would be cool

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Anonymous full.metal.everything. 1w

Which is why I’m saying that those who engage in brutality, beating and abusing the people they arrest, should receive longer sentences. There are some people who aren’t doing that. And again, I acknowledge that these arrests are often illegal based on a classical understanding of legal theory but they are operating as if it is legal, the federal government has told these people that they have the legal jurisdiction to do these things. Also as inhumane as the mass detention centers are, I wanna

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

Be specific in how we describe them. They’re dirty, cramped, lacking basic services…etc but we don’t have proof to point to them being mass murder camps or forced labor camps. Not that that makes it ok for what they are, but the distinction should matter when deciding the appropriate punishment for people engaged in that system

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

Again dude this isn’t the holocaust. It is a horrible ethnic cleaning of immigrant Americans under a guise of law enforcement which is horrible enough on its own, but it is a different thing and should be responded to as such

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

I'm part of an immigrant family dawg, I knew what this was a long time ago and I live with it daily Just because it's not gcide level yet doesn't mean the agents carrying it out deserve less time than a possession charge. That's a very mismatched suggestion, and trying to order me to discuss the camps in a certain way is weird when we both know what awaits inside. I don't feel like relaying grim detail about a place that one day wrongfully imprison one of my family. That's actually gross.

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Anonymous full.metal.everything. 1w

*one day may wrongfully imprison

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

in all honestly yes the right thing would be death but that’s impractical. we are in year one of this administration. their intentions are absolutely crystal clear, what ICE has done so far will be the least horrific things they do, death camps are the ultimate goal.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

All of them are engaging in brutality…

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

they are concentration camps. not death camps (yet) but it is absolutely reasonable to say that these are concentration camps, by definition they are. not to mention that with the CECOT stuff early last year we did send people to a literal death camp in a foreign country.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

it is the start of the American Holocaust… they’ve been pretty clear on wanting a white ethnostate, wanting to eradicate LGBT people etc. we’re literally torturing trans people via medical experimentation right now. anyone involved in this administration should be grateful they get to live afterwards at all.

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Anonymous full.metal.everything. 1w

The possibility (even likely) of something getting to a point is not the same as something being at that point already, thats what I’m trying to say. I don’t disagree that we’re headed there and that we need to do everything we can to stop it. My point is that if this admin ended today that we haven’t built that yet and shouldn’t be punishing foot soldiers as if they are directly equivalent to Nazis in 1945 bc they aren’t. Horrible as this is, it isn’t that.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

Again I don’t think our governments absurd sentencing convention for drug possession should be a metric we’re using to decide fair sentences

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

But to your point I did look up the definition for concentration camp cause it gets thrown around a lot and I think you’re right, you could call these mass detention centers by that name

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Anonymous #3 1w

Yeah I’d agree with the definition like I said above, think y’all are right about that

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

But we’re also in agreement that we’re headed in that direction and that we’re not there yet, which is important if we’re talking about what people deserve for what they’ve done up to this moment, not what they might do in the future.

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Anonymous #3 1w

For sake of argument and to continue the somewhat extreme example, do you believe all German foot soldiers should have been executed after WW2? Why or why not?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

I haven't said that DHS is the same as the 3rd Reich's guys, only that neither group will be punished properly. You're arguing against a point I'm not making. I'm saying a year bid is paltry compared to the damage that DHS' footsoldiers already inflicted, and they deserve more of a sentence for abusing state power for months or years on end to abuse the populace and erode the social contract. It doesn't need to hit gcide levels for that to be true.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

And yes. They're 100% concentration camps. People confuse the concept of extermination and concentration camps often for one another, I'm glad you looked it up.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

as for using the drug sentence as a metric, i don't agree with drug sentencing laws either. i'm using it to highlight the absurdity of the light sentence you're proposing- but let's use a different example, J6 Rioters. around 30% of 1100 or so rioters served hard time for their crimes, with an average sentence of 14 months. if they got 14 months for half a day's mayhem, surely guys who terrorized the populace for months deserve more than a fucking year bro

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Anonymous #3 1w

you know ball. it's a horrifying thing to have to learn, but it's essential info.

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