Anonymous #2 23h

Tbf, the details of the case are going to matter a lot. He’s being tried as an adult in a state with stand your ground. If he can prove he felt his life was genuinely in danger, he might have a case of self defense. It’s going to heavily depend on the item that was used (was it actually a knife or something else sharp?) and the witness accounts.

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Anonymous #3 23h

Self defense only protects reasonable force, and knifing someone to death is rarely seen as a reasonable level of force in response to being pushed

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Anonymous #2 23h

Agreed, unless he ended up cornered or knocked down on the bleachers with multiple people (the twins) coming at him. All details we don’t have as the public. Either way, it’s horrible and this never should have happened. And the fact that regardless of the verdict, one side or the other is going to be furious is really disheartening.

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Anonymous #1 21h

Exactly race will always be a factor in life no matter what

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Anonymous #2 21h

That would be right in a perfect world but that’s not the case race always matter they treat black people worse than whites, black people have the most incarceration rates and the most mistaken conviction rates so you do with that as you will plus it was self defense we will never know what happened in that locker room but he should’ve never brought a knife

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Anonymous #3 21h

It was a knife

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Anonymous #3 21h

But the thing is he doesn’t have any of his peers on that panel of jurors so he’s screwed they will see a black teen and automatically say guilty without hearing the defense

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Anonymous OP 21h

What happens in the locker room doesn't actually pertain to the self defense claim unless there was an ongoing physical altercation that continued from the locker room to the place where the stabbing occurred

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Anonymous landtrust 21h

You are the reason why he needed his peers on their jurors panel

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Anonymous OP 21h

We do not know if it was self defense or not. That will have to be proven by the defense. And this happened under a popup tent outdoors in front of witnesses, not in a locker room. Witnesses will provide missing details here.

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Anonymous OP 21h

You think his peers are going to tolerate murder?

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Anonymous landtrust 21h

Did you see it happen and go down? It’s always murder if that’s the case what happened to Cyrus was murder grow up and grow out of racism

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Anonymous landtrust 21h

He deserved a fair trial with people of his own race

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Anonymous OP 21h

Also, it’s worth noting that there is an ever growing sentiment that black perpetrators are actually more likely to receive lesser punishment for crimes as part or restorative justice initiatives. You can look at the recent shooting in Cambridge MA as an example. I can’t attest to accuracy of this belief, but it is something people are feeling that playing into this trial.

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Anonymous OP 21h

It’s not racist to convict criminals of their crimes

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Anonymous OP 21h

It’s kinda racist for you to think that his own race is gonna tolerate murder ngl

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Anonymous landtrust 21h

Then half of these people in this country should be in jail

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Anonymous landtrust 21h

But ofc since it’s a black man we have to lock him up without the truth because he’s ofc the aggressor smh

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Anonymous #3 21h

Again doesn’t matter unfortunately his fate is sealed he will get the death penalty especially because it’s Texas plus again the jurors in that town are known for not liking black people so with the panel of all white jurors he will be convicted and sadly won’t even have a chance to plea his case

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Anonymous #3 21h

And I would love to see the studies because I’m getting my master in criminal justice and time and time again it’s proven that black people are the highest of incarceration and are the most likely to get worse punishments

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Anonymous OP 21h

You’re right, we need to start holding people accountable for their actions. Raise the standards

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Anonymous OP 21h

I don’t care if it’s a black man or white man. If you kill someone, you should not be allowed in society

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Anonymous OP 21h

The judge said he was going to run everything by the book and do everything he can to ensure there was no bias present in the jury based on race. Maybe you don’t believe when he says it though. As for the result, we shall see. It’s definitely going to be a tough case. Killing someone at a HS track meet is a fairly extreme circumstance and proving self defense will be difficult.

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Anonymous landtrust 21h

I’m not saying that but why not have black jurors on that panel, they will probably convict him but it’s for a fair trial! Being a black person with an all white trial is a set up for disaster because in the end the outcome will always be convict

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Anonymous #3 21h

There’s also no evidence it was self defense. It’s a pretty cut and dry case. A guy murdered another guy

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Anonymous landtrust 21h

Anthony was pushed at least twice and gave several verbal warnings to be left alone. It’s not incredibly strong evidence, but it’s also not 100% cut and dry

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Anonymous #3 21h

I don’t believe that at all of what the judge says truly how it will play out is the jurors already know they will convict him and ofc it will probably be life with no parole or death penalty sadly that is just how these cases play out he deserved a diverse jury and he didn’t get that even if in the slightest chance it was self defense they wouldn’t see it because ofc is a all white jury and there is bound to be bias especially the town he is from and where it’s held

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Anonymous #3 21h

Pushed does not equal reasonable person and definitely does not equal proportional

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Anonymous landtrust 21h

Again if that the case then the people that killed Cyrus should’ve been put to jail yet 3 cases like his the killer won and put up as self defense

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Anonymous #3 21h

It’ll be a quick trial, ideally life!

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Anonymous OP 21h

Wrong. Austin never has a weapon

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Anonymous OP 21h

It wouldn’t matter either way. People regardless of race can examine the evidence and come to conclusions on their own

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Anonymous landtrust 21h

How is it wrong? Cyrus was wrongfully killed simple as that

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Anonymous OP 21h

The two cases cannot be easily compared. They are quite different circumstances. But yes, I personally find a gunshot to the back a hard case for self defense. 14yo should never have had a gun in the first place. What a tragedy.

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Anonymous landtrust 21h

Still wrong and naive race is a huge contender in everything, literally black people are the most convinced yet also the most mistakenly convinced race in the country! So many got death row and were innocent! All races aren’t held to the same standards! Whites get off fine and blacks get death

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Anonymous OP 21h

It’s simple. Because pushing someone isn’t the same as having a gun

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Anonymous landtrust 21h

Self defense requires:

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Anonymous landtrust 21h

You clearly don’t study this stuff hard enough and it’s sad you think everything is equal! I agree no matter what race you are murder is a no go but that’s not what’s happening here is a humiliation ritual for black people because why an all white jury? Give a diverse one if they hold the words of having a fair trial

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Anonymous landtrust 21h

Yes, they would have to prove he was genuinely afraid of serious bodily harm from the Metcalf twins.

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Anonymous OP 21h

It’s not a humiliation ritual. That’s your interpretation. The fact is that we need accountability for when people commit crimes. If you agree with this, then idk why you’re arguing

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

Yes so you are saying Cyrus’s case was justified and it wasn’t he didn’t deserve to die at 14 years old he didn’t even steal anything

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Anonymous #3 20h

Which is impossible unless Austin had a knife too?

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Anonymous OP 20h

I’m saying it’s not the same thing because Austin was unarmed

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Anonymous #3 20h

True it’s hard to compare but if we are claiming self defense shooting someone in the back wasn’t self defense and yet it was given as self defense

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

I’m not saying what he did was not wrong he should’ve never had a knife but my whole point of this post was about equal jurors and a fair trial

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

We are headed off topic the whole point was that he deserved a diverse trial and he didn’t get that

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

No, you can pose serious threat with your body alone. Can you stab a person in self defense if you’re surrounded by a group threatening you but they are unarmed? Like I said, very difficult self defense case to make, but it is possible depending on exact details.

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Anonymous #3 20h

There’s no evidence that shows what you’re saying. Like I said it’s cut and dry, and I’m hoping for a life sentence

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

Because it’s not held to the same standards!!! You live in a fantasy land where everyone has equal rights and they don’t! One race will always win and that’s the sad reality I’m not saying what he did was right but he deserved a diverse trial! This case is race base because it’s not the only one like this! And sadly this boy will get death because Texas is sadly that type of state

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Anonymous OP 20h

I see what you mean. But there were black jury applicants and they all indicated bias and got dismissed for it. Bias goes in both directions so it is difficult.

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Anonymous OP 20h

It’s integral to the justice system that a defendant doesn’t just get to shop for their ideal jury. It’s unfortunate that there weren’t any black jurors, but that doesn’t mean the verdict is automatically unfair

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

Then you take what you believe and keep it that way I have no way of making you see the case at hand so you hold onto your hope that he’s convinced agree to disagree he should’ve had black jurors

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Anonymous OP 20h

So why is your solution to avoid removing dangerous people instead of to fix the actual problem?

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Anonymous #5 20h

Again like I said above it’s a cut and dry sentence if there was a slight chance it was self defense they wouldn’t see it that way they would see a black guy killed a white one and lock him up and set sail

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Anonymous #5 20h

The justice system again isn’t fair, he deserved a diverse jury but he didn’t we all know how it will play out it’s not hard to see that again black men are the most convicted and also the most mistaken for a conviction

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Anonymous OP 20h

It’s gonna play out the way it will because… he’s guilty. Even an all black jury would likely vote him guilty. Because black people, like white, are capable of evaluating evidence and drawing conclusions

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Anonymous OP 20h

That’s your prejudice, not theirs. You can’t project that on to people you know nothing about

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

Nobody said remove dangerous people! The fact was he deserved a diverse trial! Whether he did it or not it should’ve been diverse not an all white jury in a known place that doesn’t respect black people

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Anonymous OP 20h

I find your distrust that a white individual on the jury can be fair to be a bit disheartening tbh. I hope and pray that the jury looks at all the evidence and does not consider race at all as the judge has asked them to do.

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

Please do remove dangerous people but it should be the same standards all around

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Anonymous OP 20h

Agreed

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Anonymous #3 20h

I hope it’s fair too but you also have to see from my point of view this isn’t a walk in the park, as a black person we will always be convicted it’s just a fact so many cases prove the bias time and time again! Central Park 5, Cyrus’s case, and so many other situations that if you would like me to pull up I can! I wish I could trust that those jurors can make a right decision but I can’t

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

But that’s my point it’s not the same standards and it should be the same standards all around! And I agree with that like I said I’m Not saying what he did was not wrong it was he should’ve never brought a knife regardless but that’s for the justice system to decide

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Anonymous OP 20h

I agree we should have the same standards. That doesn’t mean supporting killers or saying it’s unfair once he’s convicted

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Anonymous #5 20h

It’s not prejudice it’s literal facts? Pick up a book on the criminal justice system I promise you it’s the same way I’m telling it

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

Chud the builder should also get the book thrown at him. I don’t pick sides based on race, I pick sides based on keeping society safe

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

Sure if that was the case many of the cases that involved a balck person that was a victim and killed by a white person it’s always dismissed or not enough evidence or self defense 🤷‍♀️ if that was the case then I would’ve supported an all white jury but again there are cases and proof that proves that differently

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

I’m not saying that I’m saying he should’ve had a diverse jury not an all white one that simple

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Anonymous OP 20h

It’s absolutely prejudice. You’re judging those jurors based on the actions of people that have nothing to do with them. I won’t disagree that our justice system has failed black Americans in the past, but that doesn’t mean every trial is unfair

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

I can’t make you see what I see but again Central Park 5 was wrongfully convicted and the jury voted that and guess what it was the 4 white jurors that were for it

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Anonymous OP 20h

I 100% get your standpoint, and I’m sorry the impact this trial is likely to have on you. If Cyrus was a 14yo white boy, it may in fact have been a totally different trial as a result, and that’s not how it should be. This is all of our justice system and we need to be united in seeing it well run. RIP to Cyrus and Anthony.

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Anonymous OP 20h

What’s your problem with what I’m saying if you agree he should face consequences for his actions?

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

You’d agree with the statement “everyone deserves a fair trial” a presume? OP is saying this won’t be a fair trial. Actual results or guilt doesn’t matter in that core concern.

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Anonymous #3 20h

Which is the exact concern that forces us to limit how much discretion a defendant has in the selection of their own jury

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Anonymous #3 20h

I agree with that statement. How is it unfair if the outcome is anything but a conviction? Seems like OP doesn’t want him convicted?

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Anonymous #2 20h

Not in stand your ground states…. are we already at a point where people don’t remember the Trayvon Martin case.

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

If the outcome in that courtroom was decided by a robot that always says “guilty”, you’d get your conviction. But would you call it fair? They aren’t hoping he gets off, they are hoping he gets a fair crack at proving his case as we all should.

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Anonymous #3 20h

I’ll wait for op to answer whether or not they think he should be convicted

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

Dude, you’re missing the point and not helping

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Anonymous #3 20h

The robot votes guilty on innocent people. It’s racist to think black people won’t convict a criminal because the guy is black

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Anonymous #3 20h

Thank you! I’ve just been saying he deserved a diverse jury! I never said what he did wasn’t wrong because again he should’ve never had a knife I’m just saying the jury haha thank you for understanding and I hope my mindset changes

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

Nobody said a black person wouldn’t convict him for murder! I’m saying he deserves a fair trial by having a diverse jury! If he’s convicted with a diverse trial I would’ve been okay! I’m saying having an all white jury is a bit of racial bias

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Anonymous OP 20h

Do you think he should be convicted?

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

It’s not up to me if he should be convicted I don’t know what happened I wasn’t there it is up to the jury to determine what happened but that has failed us before! Which is why I think having a diverse jury would’ve been best to avoid bias

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

Clearly you aren’t seeing the point of what I am saying

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Anonymous OP 20h

Okay so would you argue against a conviction if it happened

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Anonymous OP 20h

How can you tell if there’s racial bias or not? A conviction?

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

If it was unjust sure but what am I against all I’m saying is the racial bias part! The greatest explain as Central Park 5 they got convicted on a crime that was never done and the jury decided that and the vote was I believe 4/12 or 5/12 believed that those boys didn’t do it but the other used racial bias and that ruined the whole trial the whole point is he should’ve had a diverse jury!!!!!!!! Not an all white jury!

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Anonymous landtrust 20h

I told you the area that the case is being held at is known for racism and bias against black people that’s the reason why people are making a big deal about him having his peers on the trial

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Anonymous OP 20h

Known for? Says who

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Anonymous landtrust 19h

I’m not saying what he did wasn’t wrong! I’m saying there is always bias in our criminal justice and it’s always race based regardless he should’ve gotten a diverse jury I think any case should have a diverse jury just to eliminate those biases because I gave the example do if it was self defense they wouldn’t see that!

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Anonymous #2 15h

A lot of words to say that Black people don’t have the right to defend themselves from white attackers

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