Anonymous #2 1w

Nope, it’s got carve outs.

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Anonymous #1 1w

or, give them the proper mental help

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Anonymous #4 1w

What do you think gender affirming care is? Surgeries are rarely performed on minors anyway- mostly this bans HRT and possibly puberty blockers.

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Anonymous #3 1w

if u think giving ppl drugs to fix their issue, u r so far mistaken. the reliance on drugs in this country is actually concerning. therapy fixes mental health issues in such better numbers then drugs or surgeries do. therapy isn’t 100%, but it is a more humane, and reliable option then destroying bodies

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Anonymous #4 1w

aaaaaand there’s the conspiracy theorist talking, I’m out. …you know puberty blockers are entirely reversible, right? You just stop taking them. This whole thing is based on what people think are the “vibes” of trans healthcare rather than what is proven to be safe, effective, and the best option. The only remotely scientific evidence most anti trans activists cite is the Cass review, which has so many major problems I’d be hard pressed to call it “scientific evidence” at all.

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Anonymous #3 1w

according to murdoch children’s research institute, puberty blockers causing a delay in puberty puts kids at risks of reduction in bone density, fertility and adult height, also, when started beyond early to mid puberty, they can cause menopausal-like side effects. but i wasn’t talking about puberty blockers. if u think it’s a conspiracy to question science, when the whole point of science is to question everything, u r deeply ignorant. kids should not be able to make those decisions, nor

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Anonymous #4 1w

the parents. these r life altering decisions. if a kid can not smoke, drink, vote, join the military, get a tattoo, etc., they should have no decision on this. especially when we see such rhetoric and “acceptance” (it’s not acceptance, it’s straight up pushing it onto them) of such a topic when they r so young and impressionable. it truly is destroying these kids. every kid has wondered/dressed up as the other gender. and 99.99999% of the times it’s a phase. stop trying to prey on children and

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Anonymous #4 1w

let children b children. u ppl r mad weird with ur attitude towards children and thinking they r adults that can think for themselves. millennials started this downfall on humanity and gen z is gonna continue it

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Anonymous #4 1w

bro advocating for conversion therapy over medicine thinks we should let children be children I literally tracked down that MCRI page, then found the research they were linking to about possible side effects- which is about gender affirming care and discussed GNRHA positively, recommending its use and that “evidence base is still emerging… is not a valid reason to withhold treatment”. I think if you want to make arguments, you should consider the facts more thoroughly before arguing.

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Anonymous #4 1w

And considering trans healthcare has an insanely low regret rate, I highly doubt it’s just a phase and you sound bigoted as hell.

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Anonymous #3 1w

“low regret rate” yet suicide and depression rates sky rocket after surgery’s and treatment. ya okay. call me a bigot for actually be grounded and having common sense. if u think conversion therapy even plays into this u r so ignorant its actually concerning

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Anonymous #4 1w

“The whole point of science is to question everything” When the answer to that question is pretty much the same across hundreds or even thousands of studies- you kind of have to accept that answer, or you’re just remaining willfully blind. Studies aren’t infallible- but that’s why we have repetition. If one study doesn’t recommend the use of so and so but ten do? If you don’t agree with that, I welcome you to go make a room temperature superconductor based on that retracted paper.

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Anonymous #3 1w

and also, when u play into mental illness and say they r right, ofc they r gonna be happy. its like telling a schizophrenic person u can hear the voices too. does that mean its reality? no

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Anonymous #4 1w

you literally advocated for therapy over medicine already. I’d love to know how you feel about antidepressants.

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Anonymous #4 1w

I said I’d stop arguing with the conspiracy theorists already once. I’m out. Have fun in your bubble.

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Anonymous #4 1w

It’s the medical guideline to use hormones to resolve gender dysphoria. It is the clinically proven best practice. For decades!! There is a fundamental neurobiological difference in trans people that make their brains structure more like the gender they identify most with as well as differences that are inconsistent with male and female neuroanatomy regardless of which sex hormone they have. You saying you have complicated feelings about the idea of trans people does not change the medical facts

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Anonymous #2 1w

thank fucking god, someone else sensible. I’m going to bed. I should not be on social media.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Why should the government get a say in what medical experts recommend for treatment done with full consent of everyone involved. Did you know that there are 1000s of genital surgeries performed on intersex infants every year without their consent? Or did you know that over 90% of cosmetic surgeries performed on minors are modifying the breasts or nose for cis teenagers? You’re taking away a struggling 16 year olds HRT via government overreach to solve a nonissue while ignoring some real issues

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Anonymous #2 1w

idgaf what adults do. it is inhumane to even b putting these ideas in children’s heads. and the fact that yall advocate for drugs over therapy at all is hella weird, but also makes so much sense

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Anonymous #4 1w

Why is it inhumane? Your objection is not based upon the fact that in certain rare cases puberty blockers is the best treatment for gender identity disorder and has a very long and rigorous screening process to even be considered for that, also why are we tap dancing around the intersex surgeries and the sheer amount of cis teens getting cosmetic surgeries? It seems like you’re not interested in considering medical facts.

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Anonymous #2 1w

i don’t support either one of them. not only do i think it’s stupid for teens or adults to get cosmetic surgery, but again, they shouldn’t be making those decisions as children and the parents should not be making them for them. not quite sure y u brought that up thinking it was a gotcha moment. it’s inhumane bc the risk outweigh the benefit when there are alternatives. the medical industry is for profit. ofc they r gonna advise towards medications over therapy. like yall say the govt is against

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Anonymous #4 1w

u then u genuinely suck their dick for shit like this. pick a side and stick to it

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Anonymous #4 1w

It’s comes from public research publicly available. Let medical experts consult with the family and the literature to come to a best course of action. Treatment of trans minors is recorded in the APA guidelines because things like gender identity disorder often has a dysphoria components and has comorbidities with suicidal depression. The decision on treatment is based upon research about the risk of potential harms and improvements and the family’s decision. There is a very extensive procedure.

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Anonymous #4 1w

The risk doesn’t outweigh the benefits. I don’t think you’ve ever talked to a trans person about this. Gender affirming therapy saves hundreds or thousands of lives but you’re trying to throw it all away in the name of the small percentage of people who are mistaken. And let me be clear, knowing many trans people, having been able to go on hormones as a child would make their lives now much better because they would look much more like how they feel.

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Anonymous #2 1w

i’ll say this anytime this convo comes up on here. i knew i was trans since i was 11, hell maybe even earlier if i had the words for it. i have also been severely depressed, developed anorexia, and been to therapy on and off since i was 12 and was suicidal for most of that time. no matter what i did, either therapy or psych meds nothing really helped. i finally went on hrt at 20 and it changed my life for the better.

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Anonymous #7 1w

i wholeheartedly believe i would not have suffered as much as a teen if i had access to hrt and if adults actually listened to ME about what I wanted. minors are not dumb and trans minors know a hell of a lot more about themselves than any adult likes to think.

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Anonymous #4 1w

My medications are doing far more than therapy alone ever did. I went from highly likely to offing myself to being finally happy and enjoying life, without my little estrogen pill and Zoloft I wouldn’t be here

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