Anonymous #1 3w

Meh, still.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Not a bad job plus I think u get 60k more tuition reimbursement

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Anonymous #1 3w

“Not a bad job”

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Anonymous #1 3w

Well, aight man. Go join ice. I’ll enjoy watching your public trial and sentencing in about, uh, four years?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Have fun.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Lmao

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Anonymous #1 3w

🤷

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Anonymous #1 3w

Just say you have no skills to get an actual job out of college man.

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Anonymous #4 3w

Because they’re all the bad ones. You won’t at any point be doing anything morally good. Your job will be to kidnap people, and send them to torture camps.

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Anonymous #4 3w

There’s no “good one”

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

That part is bad, but ice also deports dangerous people. What hard is done if that’s what you do

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Anonymous #4 3w

No they don’t.

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Anonymous #4 3w

If they do, it’s true coincidence. They deport BROWN people.

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Anonymous #4 3w

That is who you will be targeting. And let’s be clear, it will be your JOB to kidnap innocent people.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

They have been for decades

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Anonymous #4 3w

Well they don’t anymore.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

We both agree that kidnapping innocent people is bad, but we also agree that deporting dangerous people is good. So why would it be bad to deport dangerous criminals?

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Anonymous #4 3w

It wouldn’t matter because your job wouldn’t be to deport dangerous criminals, it would be to kidnap brown people.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

They can be brown, that’s irrelevant to if they’re dangerous or not dangerous

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Anonymous #4 3w

Right but your job won’t be to deport dangerous people. Your job will be to kidnap brown people. That is what ICE is currently used for

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Anonymous #4 3w

But whatever man join fuckin ice, enjoy your trial as one of the good Gestapo

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

You obviously don’t believe 100% of people deported are innocent, so why are you against it if I just deport the bad ones?

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Anonymous #4 3w

“Obviously you don’t believe all Jews homosexuals and foreigners are innocent, so why are you against me joining the secret police if I just go after the bad ones?”

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

What crime is being jewish, homosexual or foreign?

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Anonymous #4 3w

In Nazi Germany? Pretty sure being all of those things was a crime dude.

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Anonymous #4 3w

You can’t even say it’s an unfair comparison, the OFFICIAL DHS TWITTER ACCOUNT is posting memes historically associated with Nazis. They’re PLAYING INTO IT.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

I’ll give you more time if you want to redo that and come up with a better parallel

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

You agree that we should deport the dangerous ones correct?

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Anonymous #4 3w

Literally ice agents dude.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Can you answer the question?

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Anonymous #4 3w

Why do so many ice agents have Nazi tattoos?

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Why are you avoiding answering

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Anonymous #4 3w

Why are you avoiding acknowledging the clear connection between ice and nazism?

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Anonymous #4 3w

Sure man, if ice was deporting exclusively violent criminals I wouldn’t care. But they’re not. And you wouldn’t be.

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Anonymous #4 3w

I mean look at this shit. “Defend the homeland”??

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

So if a group joined ice and influenced the choosing of deportations towards the dangerous people. That would be a good thing

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Anonymous #4 3w

You wouldn’t have influence over that.

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Anonymous #4 3w

“If a group joined the SS and influenced them to only target Jews that commit violent crimes-“

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Hypothetically if a group joined the SS and when clearing houses did not “see” any of the Jewish people that were hiding. That would be a positive

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Anonymous #4 3w

I’m sure you’ll be a great hero.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Do you genuinely disagree?

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Anonymous #4 3w

Is that what I said?

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

You didn’t address what I said, so I’m now asking you

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Anonymous #4 3w

I’m sure when they’re kidnapping people literally just walking down the street, you’ll be able to convince the guy in the front seat that the brown dude is actually white or something. Just do whatever you wanna do idc

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Do you agree or disagree? I don’t need you to keep making up other scenarios

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Anonymous #4 3w

This is a pathetic way to engage in a conversation. Bro, whatever. Do whatever you wanna do. Join ice, be the good SS officer. I don’t give a shit.

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Anonymous #4 3w

your version of having a conversation is you asking yes or no questions and then demanding the other person answer them. And that’s it. You want no other engagement. It’s fucking grating, so just go. Join ice.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

You literally kept sidestepping points being made, what else would you like me to do mushy.the.mushroom

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Anonymous #4 3w

I answered your question and then you literally just moved on to another yes or no question while ignoring everything I said. Clearly you’ve made up your mind, no need for conversation. So go.

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Anonymous #4 3w

Maybe take like, communication lessons tho.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

If not answering questions that the other asks what else is there in a discussion? Are we supposed to each just talk to ourselves

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Anonymous #4 3w

If your argument can’t withstand acknowledging the other person saying any other words than “yes” or “no”, then it’s not an argument worth my time.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

You are unable to change your point of view as well

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Anonymous #4 3w

This isn’t about you not being able to change your mind, it’s about you not knowing how to have a normal conversation.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

That is how you establish common ground, something that’s important when having a discussion

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Anonymous #4 3w

You don’t establish common ground by ignoring everything the other person says.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Thank you! I very much agree

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Anonymous #4 3w

Then practice what you preach brother.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

What did I ignore?

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Anonymous #4 3w

You haven’t engaged with a single thing I’ve said.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Such as

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Anonymous #4 3w

I’m so tired.

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Anonymous #4 3w

I just want to be done. I said fine go join ice. Idc

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Classic

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Ironically also classic

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Anonymous #4 3w

You’re so smug about wanting to join an organization that’s primary current purpose is torture.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

And ive very clearly said I support and want to be the one that personally tortures the innocent ones so yeah fair point

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Anonymous #4 3w

If that’s their primary purpose, and you acknowledge that, why even join?

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Can you provide an ounce of proof or anything to show its the “primary purpose”

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Anonymous #4 3w

Kilmer Garcias account of being wrongfully deported to CECOT, where he was tortured.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Ill wait for you to finish getting data

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Anonymous #4 3w

Do you want to read his account or what?

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Anonymous #4 3w

Also the fact they deport people to CECOT who were not originally from that country is evidence. Why do that if not explicitly to torture people.

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Anonymous #4 3w

There’s literally no other reason you would deport someone to a torture camp in a country they aren’t from.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

So we both can agree that is bad, and shouldn’t have happened. But something like that happening does not make it the “primary purpose” surely you don’t mean that in good faith

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Anonymous #4 3w

Well hold on answer my question.

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Anonymous #4 3w

Why else would they deport people to a torture camp in a country they aren’t from if the goal of sending them there wasn’t explicitly to torture them?

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Do I want to read his account? Not particularly I dont see how that fits into the conversation

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Anonymous #4 3w

Can you answer my question tho?

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Before I answer that, are you making the claim that is where 100% or even a majority of deportations go

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Anonymous #4 3w

No, I’m not. Now answer me.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

I agree that what you are say happens. And that people are unfortunately tortured. If the question was “are people tortured at all” we could have answered that a while ago But I still dont see how that is the “primary purpose”

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Anonymous #4 3w

You didn’t answer my question for a third time.

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Anonymous #4 3w

This is my question.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

I literally just acknowledged that happens and that people have been tortured , what part was unsatisfactory for you mushy?

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Anonymous #4 3w

I didn’t ask you if it happened I asked you if you could think of any other reason the admin would do that than to torture people.

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Anonymous #4 3w

It’s literally a yes or no.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Yes, what you are saying is true and people are tortured

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Anonymous #4 3w

“What other reason would people not from El Salvador be sent to CECOT if not to torture them?” “Oh people definitely are getting tortured that’s for sure.” Like wtf.

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Anonymous #4 3w

I’m not asking you if it’s TRUE, I know it’s true. I’m asking you what other REASON they would be sent there if not to torture them.

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Anonymous #4 3w

This isn’t about whether or not torture is happening, it’s about whether or not it was on PURPOSE. It’s obvious you’re willfully ignoring my question I’m growing super sick of it.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

I don’t think it was an accident they were tortured? What answer are you expecting

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Anonymous #4 3w

Restate my question to me please.

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Anonymous #4 3w

We will go from there. What am I asking you?

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

You asking me if the people that were deported to that prison and tortured were done so deliberately, is that right?

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Anonymous #4 3w

Almost. Im asking you whether or not ice sent them there with the intention of them being tortured.

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Anonymous #4 3w

In my question I also included an implicit argument for my position but honestly I think we’re just gonna have to work our way there.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

I could see that as being a true statement. I don’t think the guards were doing it by their own separate from instructions from supervisors or policy

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Anonymous #4 3w

Okay. If you could see it being true then consider this. Why would they deport immigrants who *aren’t from El Salvador* to CECOT (a prison already famous for torture), if the goal was not to have those people tortured?

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

I dont see how that makes the “primary purpose” of all deportations being that of torture, we have already agreed that not the majority of deportations go there

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Anonymous #4 3w

Okay but you do agree that this organization has sent people to CECOT who don’t actually belong there, explicitly so they can be tortured. Many of them innocent.

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Anonymous #4 3w

You acknowledge that?

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

I agree that people have been sent to places like CECOT who don’t belong there, and that the abuse isn’t accidental

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Anonymous #4 3w

And you understand that abuse was mandated from the top down, right? Like, the ice officers didn’t have control of where Kilmar got sent.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

I would say that’s correct, I don’t disagree with that statement. I just don’t think that makes torture the primary purpose of deportation itself

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Anonymous #4 3w

I didn’t say it was the purpose of deportation, I said it was the *current* purpose of *ICE*. And even if it wasn’t, why would you want to work for such a clearly evil organization?

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

How can it be the current primary of ice if the majority of their deportations dont end in torture? And I have already answered that, I think one can do good and influence policy towards less harm

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Anonymous #4 3w

Because why would they do that on purpose at all?

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Anonymous #4 3w

If my local police force every once in a while scooped up an innocent dude and beat and raped him for like 9 months before letting him out, apologizing, and doing it again, I wouldn’t be able to focus on any of the fuckin good stuff they might be doing. And no amount of criminals being arrested would make it worth it to live in that town.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Something can be deliberately done in an organization without that being it’s primary purpose

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Anonymous #4 3w

Okay. The primary purpose of that hypothetical local police force isn’t torture either. Still don’t wanna live in that town.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

That sounds like exactly the kind of situation where someone trying to reduce harm could make a difference

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Anonymous #4 3w

But we’ve already established that this harm is coming from the top down. You’re not the top. You will be MADE to act in evil ways. Regardless of what you want, or you won’t work there.

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Anonymous #4 3w

But sure man. Like I said, do whatever you want. I can’t help you climb out of a fantasy where you go become an ice agent and save the day or something. But that’s not how the real world works.

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Anonymous #4 3w

In my eyes, the whole “what if I join them and like, make a big change from the inside” is hilariously childish, and a dead end conversation topic.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Im just trying to wrap my head around this (non hypothetical) situation where you fully believe that doing nothing at all is somehow the best and most moral option

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Anonymous #4 3w

People did that during the civil rights era, people joined police departments with the intent of reducing discrimination. Happened in Germany during WWII where people deliberately slowed or misdirected deportation trains. Maybe you being so dead set on it being “childish” is more a reflection of yourself than the idea itself

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