US Politics on Sidechat | When faced with a choice between leftism and fascism, liberals will choose fascism every time. They don’t actually care about the people‘s interests, just that the system protecting private exploitation of property is maintained. See exhibit A below.

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When faced with a choice between leftism and fascism, liberals will choose fascism every time. They don’t actually care about the people‘s interests, just that the system protecting private exploitation of property is maintained. See exhibit A below.

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Not that I really give a shit about Israel, but it’s time to start accepting that leftists who support that wing of the party are enemies to the party and should be treated no different than MAGA.

Anonymous 22h

fascism and leftism are not mutually exclusive

Anonymous

#1 22h

How?

Anonymous

#1 22h

True, leftism often sides with fascists because fascists appear to be pro-worker and anti-bourgeois and promise to fix all the crap leftists are angry about

Anonymous

#2 21h

https://www.independent.org/wp-content/uploads/tir/2022/07/tir_27_1_05_gindler.pdf

Anonymous

#3 21h

Doing the “fascists use fake economic populism to appeal to the working class” as a reason why fascism is leftist actually is a new one, very creative.

Anonymous

#1 21h

So, because fascists directed production toward armament, but kept ownership and profits privatized, they’re leftist? And because some random socialist guy was antisemitic, fascist antisemitism is socialist actually?

Anonymous

#2 21h

gonna be honest i didn’t read it all that thoroughly but the general argument is scholars argue a lot over whether fascism has a place on the left-right spectrum at all or if it is less defined by a guiding ideology and more defined by the tactics used to implement that ideology

Anonymous

#2 21h

Leftist doesn’t mean anything. You’re either a partisan of some sort like part of a communist party, or you’re part of the general masses of angry people. Mussolini was a “leftist”. Sometimes the populism isn’t even fake, it does redistribute resources, but there is no change in the underlying relations between labour and capital

Anonymous

#3 21h

Mussolini was not a leftist, as evidenced by his suppression (or outright slaughter) of socialist movements, his reactionary nationalism, etc. Economic populism that doesn’t change those underlying relations absolutely is fake.

Anonymous

#1 21h

By that definition nothing can be said to be of the left or the right.

Anonymous

#2 21h

leftist movements slaughter each other all the time

Anonymous

#2 21h

Well a lot of people are going to call themselves leftists that do not adhere to your understanding of leftism. And they probably will imprison or kill political enemies that maybe do fit your understanding of leftist

Anonymous

#2 21h

there are ideological positions that pretty solidly define both sides of the spectrum but the spectrum only deals with ideologies, not tactics, and the spectrum is still an oversimplification of ideologies

Anonymous

#1 21h

some tactics for enforcing ideologies are so extreme it really doesn’t matter what the ideology is anymore, it’s become fascist. no political ideology makes anyone immune from the corrupting influence of believing one ideology is entitled to absolute rule

Anonymous

#1 21h

Fascism is not “when authoritarianism”. Many scholars have tried to define what fascism is, and they all have valid points and critiques. Personally I’d go for the 14 points or Parenti’s definition.

Anonymous

#2 21h

the 14 points are the tactics i’m talking about