Anonymous #1 4w

Not this exact translation but essentially yes

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Anonymous OP 4w

These are not the same at all

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yes they most certainly are. The merging of the interests of private ownership (corporate power) and the state.

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Anonymous OP 4w

No, it says that private enterprises should be subservient to the state which is completely different from a merger of state and corporate power. On top of that, he never suggests the term corporatism which is the other half of the fabricated quote.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yes the state has control over the direction of production, but it’s directly to the interests of private capitalist interests as established in the first half of the quote. And yes “corporatism” never appears in this quote which is why I said “essentially yes” but not in this translation exactly.

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Anonymous OP 4w

It never says anything about being directly inline with capitalist interests. That would contradict Mussolini’s entire philosophy.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Sorry I guess I should have realized you are illiterate lol

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Anonymous OP 4w

You’re highlighting a section that only makes my point. Private enterprise in his view is to be used as tool of the state.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yes dumbass hence a fucking merger of state and corporate power, because it makes clear that while direction of production lies with the state, the enterprise is still privately owned to make money for the capitalists who own them. Jesus Christ it’s like talking to a goldfish

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Anonymous #2 4w

Read my comments below ya moron

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Anonymous OP 4w

Those interest groups are corporations btw since I have to spell out everything to you people

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Anonymous OP 4w

That is the colloquial definition. Mussolini was not in favor of megacorps and oligarchy.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Once again read my fucking comment about his actual fucking quote where he very much is

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Anonymous OP 4w

Bro did not read the following sentence lmao.

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Anonymous #2 4w

I didn’t say anything about “libertarian oligarchy” and never said they weren’t complicated

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Anonymous OP 4w

Again you didn’t even read the next sentence of the quote you provided. They believed corporations should unify and revolve around the state and nation and be beholden to it. What do you think fascism is exactly? Do you know what a fasces is?

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Anonymous #2 4w

What about me saying “the direction of production lies with the state” gives you that impression holy shit you all cannot read

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Anonymous #2 4w

You didn’t read this comment and it shows

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Anonymous OP 4w

The direction of production is dictated by the state for the nation, meanwhile the enterprise is still privately owned. Jesus it’s like pulling teeth!

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Anonymous OP 4w

I genuinely don’t get what the disagreement is over? Are we just disagreeing on what corporatism is lol?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Their qualm is that they have either deluded themselves into believing Mussolini opposed private ownership of production, or they cannot read.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I think they think corporatism is when society is ran by what we understand as corporations. So like a society ran by like Walmart Amazon etc.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Idk but don’t get too cocky I’ve seen your posts and reading comprehension too lmao

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Anonymous OP 4w

But 1 & 2 can correct me if I’m wrong.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Lmao what post are we talking about?

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Anonymous OP 4w

That’s not what an oligarchy is.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Wait what’s your definition of corporatism?

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Anonymous OP 4w

Its not a merger of state and corporate power. He makes it pretty clear that the state holds the only real power. You’re embarrassing yourself.

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Anonymous #1 4w

And pray tell, what class does the state serve the interests of, especially when it’s been made clear he states that private enterprise is its most effective instrument? Lmao

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Anonymous OP 4w

If you knew anything about Mussolini you’d know that he believed that the state was the embodiment of the nation, and that it didn’t serve any class. “Private enterprise is its most effective instrument” quite literally means that private businesses are the most important tool of the state.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Oh my godddd, no fucking shit, but what class is composed of those who own private businesses hmm? Whether or not the idiot Mussolini thought he was serving the capitalist class interests or not is irrelevant, that’s the material reality.

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Anonymous OP 4w

What Mussolini thought is irrelevant to a conversation that is literally about Mussolini’s thoughts? You can’t be serious.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Correct, my point still stands as he directly spells it out that private enterprise should direct production for the state, while still remaining in private hands. This, weather he thinks so or not, serves the interest of capitalists who own private enterprise, and they extract the profits

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Anonymous OP 4w

Which is a massive goalpost shift from your original claim.

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