Anonymous #1 9w

I’m not even Christian, but this deliberate framing is disingenuous

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Anonymous #1 9w

Not only that, it sets you up to be immediately countered. From an argument prospective, it’s pretty weak.

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Anonymous #1 9w

Then argue

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Anonymous OP 9w

As said….It’s a pretty literal reading….

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Anonymous #1 9w

I don’t even want to argue tbh, I want to make your arguments better

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Anonymous #2 9w

Then why not worship them instead of ur god, why is he so special/ more important?

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Anonymous OP 9w

I don’t think that dude is a Christian my guy, you need to take a breath

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Anonymous #1 9w

Then tell me why I can’t take it literal?

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Anonymous OP 9w

You absolutely can, nothing stopping you It’s just not a good argument because “it’s not talking about literal gods beside him, but other religions deity” …………….like make the argument all you want, it just a low level, easily counterable argument. Nothing is stopping you from playing Kf7, but your desire to win the game

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Anonymous #1 9w

I would think that the “Creator of the world” would have communicated his message in a completely straightforward manner to prevent any misinterpretation but ok🥱

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Anonymous OP 9w

I would think a human would speak colloquially when trying to remember a god (beyond our understanding) words…..do you know anything about the text you’re trying to argue?

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Anonymous #1 9w

ExKf7

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Anonymous #1 9w

So ur saying a human wrote the Bible? And ‘remember’? I heard some Christians believed that god was an actual person who wrote the Bible, are you trying to say he existed and someone wrote down what they remembered from that time?

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Anonymous OP 9w

I’ve ever heard a Christian claim he is a person….genuinely can’t even think of what that would be referencing. Maybe you’re confusing the holy trinity? He is the father, son, and Holy Ghost, so technically he existed as Jesus, but I think that’s also an extremely literal interpretation I’m saying the message was delivered in a vision/pray and he had to go find a sheet of paper to write that shit down…..

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Anonymous #1 9w

literalism is a stance a lot of christian’s take

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Anonymous #1 9w

So are you saying the Bible is just someone’s attempt to remember god?..then how can you be sure you’re actually following god and not merely that person’s interpretation? At that point, you don’t really know whether you’re worshipping the “creator” or someone else’s version of him-

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Anonymous OP 9w

Yes! I absolutely agree……that’s why I said I’m not Christian dude You really want to argue and be right so bad

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Anonymous #3 9w

Are you talking about biblical literalism or simply reading the words literally?

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Anonymous #1 9w

😭😭what?? No I’m js saying that Christians contradict themselves- if anyone wants to be “right so bad” it’s you bro, I mean ur over here defending Christians..for what??😭 and I think of this more as a conversation than an argument- but I guess it can be both

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Anonymous OP 9w

They absolutely do no bro, I want you to have better arguments, being right≠having a good argument Those are completely different things. I’m not “defending Christians” as in an ally. Fuck them. I’m just trying to make liberals have better arguments. When my team is operating at a higher level, I benefit

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Anonymous #1 9w

Biblical literalism, kinda both genuinely. Both stances exist

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Anonymous #3 9w

Yeah biblical literalism is absolutely a perspective man people take I’d say the “literal interpretations” are falling out of favor, but I get what you’re saying

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Anonymous #1 9w

My arguments are superb, but you can always say how I can improve or we can keep going back and forth you’ll be a Christian under religious psychosis and I will try and win this argument🙂‍↕️

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Anonymous OP 9w

Sure man, they are great. Elo 600 in chess is full of great players…..I’m just saying the elo goes from 100-2400+…… I want you to win, that’s why I’m offering you the clarity

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Anonymous #1 9w

..what’re you talking about- and like I said if my argument is so weak, say something bruh, argue with me or say how I can improve?? Cause I feel like the argument we js had I’d have deff been the victor if you were a Christian under religious psychosis

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Anonymous #1 9w

Yeah not like really interjecting to set a position just like, I didn’t know if you were saying that didn’t exist at ALL yk

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Anonymous OP 9w

Oh dude, from a strategy perspective, it’s hyper aggressive and leaves you open for really easy counters, a higher level approach would side step this conversation all together because it leads to an overall worse position In the eyes of the spectator you have to concede ground for us to make it to this point. Which is unfavorable position for you in debates I mean, sure, I think it’s possible, it’s just *less likely* than other arguments I’ve seen. Doesn’t mean it’s bad, it just need refining

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Anonymous #1 9w

If it were me, I’d start at the Bible was written by humans. That’s a pretty objective fact people can’t refute based on interpretation (keep in mind mfers have been debating interpretations ever since its inception) Southern Baptist’s and baptists couldn’t even agree on gods interpretation of slavery

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Anonymous #4 9w

Love history, thx😋

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Anonymous #4 9w

previous israelite lore of Abraham (that hed been promised the holy land) and i believe the idea is that while being given the ten commandments, god told moses he was the one who made the covenant with abraham

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Anonymous #1 9w

😂😂didn’t i literally say about how if it’s written by humans why do Christians believe in it cause it very much might be a false version of him?? Another point..?🧐

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Anonymous OP 9w

Yes, you did, and I was agreeing. This is why I called you argumentative……

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Anonymous #4 9w

sigmund freud has an interesting book where he theorizes that moses was in an esoteric egyptian religious group reserved only for higher-ups, and that he later discovered he was of jewish heritage and took some of that knowledge to free his people and start his own religion. theres also a lot of speculation on moses was ever even on a mountain, and also that the israelites that hadnt left with moses already had their own religion forming and they just kinda merged the two

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Anonymous OP 9w

As someone who enjoys studying ancient religion, the reason imo Christianity took off is because while the gods of Rome, Egypt, etc were of warriors, conquerors, tyrants, and abusers, the story of Jesus has the creator of all choose become a peasant, join his people in their suffering and oppression, and in his resurrection offered them inheritance of an eternal kingdom. For example, as an attack Celsus writes the 1st century that its only for “slaves, women and little children”.

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Anonymous OP 9w

There’s no argument to be had…..we agree…..the fact you want there to be one even after agreeing…..is argumentative

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Anonymous OP 9w

they believe it was divinely inspired. that god would care so much abt the message being accurate that he would make sure the people (who had a part in its creation) did it justice but whats interesting is that at this time, they had non-bilateral brains. meaning their left brain was lowkey off and they didnt form thoughts as sentences in their head. theres some speculation that anytime back then they thought god was speaking to them it was rlly just them discovering they could think. same w

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Anonymous #4 9w

dreams

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Anonymous #1 9w

I can js scroll back- but I’m saying that you keep saying my point is bad and you can make it better or it’s really easy for ppl to refute it or smth, but ur not rlly giving me any reason to think ur right about that

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Anonymous #4 9w

I always wonder about this. People that learn to read as adults say it’s like there is someone in their head talking to them. I wonder how many people were affected by not understanding the power of their brain Do you got any resources on the left brain being fucky?

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Anonymous OP 9w

This is argumentative. 1 is engaging in more of a dialogue than anything else.

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Anonymous #1 9w

Then refine it?🫠

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Anonymous #1 9w

ya lemme look up the bilateral mind stuff but also i wanna add that for the first like 2,500 years less than like 5% of people even knew how to read. for allllll of the torah and old testament, people could only hear it from clergy members who usually didnt even read right from the bible they just preached on whatever they wanted. also a lot of the bible is made up of letters (mainly from paul, who we hate) not directlt credited to god or jesus’s words i still find it super

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Anonymous #4 9w

fascinating tho from a historical standpoint cause its so representative of the time and rlly shows us where their collective consiousness was at. it sucks we stopped mythicalizing that stuff. i wish we had lore to represent our current collect consciousness cause the brain rot in that would be crazyy

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Anonymous #4 9w

I think we do, but a fish can’t see the water around it yk?

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Anonymous #1 9w

ok im stupid its bicameral not bilateral lmao https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/bicameralism.htm

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Anonymous #1 9w

First of all why is ur phone at 1%- and also I was thinking you’d like tell me another way to say it or like something similar or smth; cause I genuinely don’t know how what I said had me in an “unfavorable position”

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Anonymous OP 9w

Because whenever I have these conversations I get super involved and forget to attend to my needs Well dude, tbh, it’s an unfavorable position because it’s easily counter able. When you bring such an easy argument to the table, it starts you off in a weak position to argue from Even though you might be the most educated person on the planet, the fact you are starting with a hyper aggressive easily counterable approach will force your audience to become favorable to the other person

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Anonymous OP 9w

Mcgregor might be the best fighter in 2020, but if he starts out the gate acting “belligerent” not adhering to proper form, the audience is going to notice. Especially the judges Then from mcgregors perspective, he put so much effort into his approach he will have to fight to regain composure, which is valuable time you could’ve been cooking your opponent before time runs out

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Anonymous OP 9w

sorry ima jump in ur convo again lol but ur missing an even bigger fallacy in this line… “i am a JEALOUS god”. how can a perfect god be jealous when (like a couple pages later) he says jealousy is a grave sin

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Anonymous OP 9w

Also, not to be rude, but that screenshot literally has my response for why it’s unfavorable….

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Anonymous #4 9w

Way better argument. He’s reveals how human he is

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