Anonymous #1 8w

I agree but I don’t think many people are talking about there wasn’t a huge out cry when us funding ended or anything.

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Anonymous blue__wave 8w

US funding didn’t end we are still very much throwing everything behind Ukraine

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Anonymous #1 8w

Doesn’t matter what the moron in the White House says

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Anonymous #1 8w

Funding from the Biden admin has continued but there hasn’t been any new funding bills.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Who’s big media figure who’s passionate about Ukraine. I can see maybe some boomer tv people caring but I don’t see any support in online spaces.

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Anonymous #2 8w

I would say American media in general but online spaces especially.

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Anonymous #3 8w

So did the Gaza war everyone talks about that constantly

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Anonymous #3 8w

Or almost 4 years ago

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Anonymous blue__wave 8w

They’re not really viewed the same though, because on the one hand israel is a closer ally to the US than either Russia or Ukraine so it makes sense it would get more attention. On the other hand the consensus is that Russia and Ukraine are two countries at war, whereas many see the Gaza conflict as one disproportionately stronger nation using hamas as an excuse to commit genocide (you can argue against this if you want but fact of the matter is that that’s generally how they’re seen)

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Anonymous #3 8w

Ok I disagree with all of that. 1. If the U.S. wasn’t historically allied with Israel no one would care? 2. Idk how Russian and Ukraine aren’t disproportionate? 3. Russia and is also accused of committing genocide.

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Anonymous blue__wave 8w

1. People probably would care given the whole genocide thing but that’s one factor as to why probably a reason why it gets more attention from American media 2. Sure they’re disproportionate, but not more so than Israel with its insane amount of military support from the US vs hamas and the rest of Gaza, which doesn’t even have a formal military like Ukraine does (+ support from the US) and 3. I won’t argue that that’s not happening but this ties in with my previous point

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Anonymous #3 8w

1. We signed a deal saying we would support Ukraine’s border integrity 2. Not to point out the obvious here, Ukraine didn’t do a terrorist attack on Russia before the war. 3. Idk how that ties into your other point.

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Anonymous #3 8w

This is so obvious to me I feel like you’re almost talking around it. Let’s say Gaza was like Ukraine people thought they were gonna get rolled over in a week and they ended up holding on to territory without doing the nontraditional warfare. People wouldn’t not gaf if anything I feel like people on here would be more energized that they were holding on.

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Anonymous blue__wave 8w

1. Yes, but the US and israel have been allied for way longer 2. The attack was carried out by hamas which is a militant group, not Gaza’s formal military, people in Gaza who had nothing to do with hamas don’t deserve to be killed and have their land decimated in an entirely disproportionate response for it 3. Can’t help you with that one

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Anonymous #3 8w

The obvious narrative going here if your far left is that “it’s U.S. imperialism and it’s oppressed be oppressor” . You can’t get that out of Ukraine. Republicans don’t rlly care anymore bc all you could get out of it was “look at Biden’s mess”.

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Anonymous #3 8w

1. You’re just agreeing with me at this point, that is the populism narrative that it’s U.S. imperialism. 2. Idk how that helps your point at all. A population supporting a party that did a terrorist attack would be seen as less innocent than one that didn’t. I don’t get the implication for 3 that people don’t see it as Russia being genocidal is that the point?

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Anonymous blue__wave 8w

The US and Europe continues to support Ukraine through military support and have literally caused a fuel crisis in Russia. It’s not talked about much because it’s always been about giving Ukraine just enough to hold off Russia, never enough for them to win the war. The longer Russia is at war the more they suffer economically, which is the goal of western nations.

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Anonymous #4 8w

I believe we should give Ukraine even more military aid so they can actually end the war but it’s in the interest of western powers to prolong the war with Russia

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Anonymous #4 8w

They wouldn’t suffer economically if Ukraine occupied parts of Russia? All of the U.S. aid is old aid coming in from the Biden admin there isn’t new legislation. As for Europe wtf would they be playing games? They do not want Russia to have all of the population and resources of Ukraine (2nd largest country in Europe) Estonia cumulatively is giving around 3% of their gdp just to this war, Denmark is giving around the same. European Countries are giving a significant amount.

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Anonymous #4 8w

The only reason Trump wasn’t pushing for more aid is bc he was trying to partition Ukraine with Russia but obviously neither Russia or Ukraine were up for that idea.

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Anonymous #4 8w

Whatever Europe would get out of Russia burning themselves out on Ukraine they get so much more long term from a whole Ukraine that’s a large trading partner in the eu.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Maybe because one is an ongoing ethnic cleansing the US is actively aiding and abetting in while the other isn’t. It’s not the “Gaza war” you freak, it’s a genocide

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Anonymous #5 7w

A genocide can be going on during a war but good virtue signaling ig. The U.S. can impact both and Trump has purposefully tried to withhold aid promised to Ukraine.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

You can can argue all day long that these conflicts are exactly the same but in reality they’re just not. Ukraine, a country with it’s own established government and military, got almost the entire world’s support from the get-go (which is a good thing). Gaza had none of those. And seriously? Most Gazans had absolutely nothing to do with hamas, and even if they did it doesn’t even matter since the idf is just targeting any palestinian with a pulse (children that especially had nothing

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Anonymous #3 7w

to do with it). None of this is to say that what’s going on in Ukraine isn’t awful (since Russia is targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure) but that conflict is very clearly aggressor country vs country defending itself whereas Gaza has been basically defenseless facing a genocide justified by the actions of few

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Anonymous #3 7w

That’s not the point to say they’re exactly the same my point is you guys can’t make the distinction. Gaza has gotten aid from Europe that’s just not true. The actual distinction with the wars is that in one you can do US bad with Ukraine you can’t.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Well it makes more sense that the conflict where “US bad” as you put it generates more outrage at our own government than one where the US has helped for the most part. And Gaza didn’t get aid from Europe until at least a year into conflict, Ukraine got it a lot faster

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Anonymous #3 7w

That’s not true the eu and its members sent 200 million worth of aid in 2023 it greatly increased after a year, if that’s what you mean.

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Anonymous #3 7w

Yes that’s what I’m arguing

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Virtue signaling is when you point out that the goal from the start has been ethnic cleansing ig

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