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___joker__

Communism is always the end goal, that’s the point. It’s such a shame that it has to go through that insanely brutal authoritarian portion to apparently get to it though 🥴 At least it’s not fascism though!
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Anonymous 3w

Stalinism isn’t the only form of communism dude

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Anonymous 3w

You ever read up on the liberal revolutions against feudalism? They were pretty fuckin illiberal for a minute there, but I don’t think any modern liberal would be like “yeah dawg the French Revolution should’ve never happened, shit got too crazy for a minute there.” Revolution from one entire system to another will always involve extreme violence, or at the ABSOLUTE least, the credible threat of extreme violence. I don’t think that makes revolutionary thought inherently bad.

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Anonymous 3w

Some say it’s the end of history 😰

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Anonymous 3w

“By any means necessary otherwise you’re complicit” You are advocating for the invasion of Israel and the United States. Again, you are legitimately advocating for large scale death to stop large scale death

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 3w

No more problamos, reconciling god and man, the Geist totally realized 🤔

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 3w

My only rhetorical appeal for this belief: it would be pretty epicccccc 👀👀

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 3w

Wanting communism because you seek to end the exploitation of the working class 🤓 Wanting communism because you’re bored and yearn to feel something 😎

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

YEAHHHHHHH

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

everyone would be better off getting a dog or running a triathlon or something

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

My guy, there hasn’t been a single form of it that hasn’t ended up as single party state-controlled communism. It always ends up being antithetical to the entire point of communism. It’s comparable to fascism’s requirement of always needing an enemy.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 3w

Animal ownership is definitely out for these people. It’s either an animal rights thing or just the fact that these people can barely function themselves in today’s world and think if they just had socialism they’d be okay.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

I’m gonna blow up a snapping turtle killin all me fish one of these days 😤

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

Cuba and Vietnam disprove your point

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

Both of those are one party states….Vietnam is a horrible example for you because they literally liberalized their economy in favor of markets 😭 Neither are stateless worker democracies. Come on…you know what communism is from then lil’ book, right?

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

One party doesn’t mean authoritarian. Ideally, it means that political differences are discussed and considered, rather than just assigning labels to anyone who disagrees with you.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

Why do you say dumbass stuff like this? Hey there, I’m the dude from the screenshot. I’m a very high-functioning person finishing up my second year of law school, I have a great career so far and I’ve worked in legal offices domestically and abroad. I also have a pet Yorkshire Terrier.

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Anonymous replying to -> amethyst_headphone51 3w

something exception something something the rule.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

Eh?

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Anonymous replying to -> amethyst_headphone51 3w

Do you think you’re the model standard for socialist and/or communists in the country?

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

Not at all, but there are certainly enough who share my view that I am within the normal range of what socialist/communist politics in the country look like.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

Do you think you’re the model standard for “liberalism”? That’s such a stupid question lmao, especially coming from your disingenuous ass.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

No. I’m not the standard model of liberal. I never said I was a recognize that…so you jumped the gun there a bit bud

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

you sure about that? is that why you screech about “illiberal” people when you start losing arguments?

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Anonymous replying to -> amethyst_headphone51 3w

Bro come on 😭 You know a majority of you fuckers exist only in online spaces. The ones who exist out in the world that aren’t involved in Discord or Twitter heavily are crypto as fuck or are ACP mfs. Even heavy labor union people aren’t a majority socialist, they’re just specifically workers rights.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

I’m gonna give you minute to formulate that argument a bit better so you can connect the logic.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

And by the way, to spell out my logic, seeing as so many of you struggle with it. Do you think the model standard communist is a lawyer who has worked at multiple firms abroad and overseas?

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

do you need me to hold your hand while I walk you through it?

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

sir you are the one who brought up this “model standard” bullshit, get tf off your high horse you egomaniac

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

No 🤣 i said they weren’t the model standard and then you tried to bring up that I wasn’t the model standard either…like yeah…I’m aware? You’re just mad that you thought you had an own and then fell flat on your face because you thought I’d be like “I am the flag bearer that every liberal needs to model themselves after!”…unlike you, I know what I am.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

Can’t we all just get along!!! Tabarnak!

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Anonymous replying to -> cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

French Revolution was EPIC

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

Thinking “Single-Party = Authoritarian” is so lazy when it doesn’t include tolerance of inner-party disagreement in its analysis. A single mass party with multiple opposing factions within itself can function without completely smashing dissent. Just like a multi-party system where opposition is controlled can be just as authoritarian on the ACTUAL dissenters as any one-party state, while also giving some opposition a false sense of representation (See: Russia)

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Anonymous replying to -> cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

I honestly missed all of your comments because I’ve been having to defend my apparent complicit views on genocide for the past hour 🤷‍♂️ I would have rather stuck on this topic

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

“apparent” he’s still fighting tooth and nail in the other post btw

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

You said you believe the UN with a coalition should invade Israel and the United States to dismantle their governments. When I stated that would entail a lot of needless death, you got mad and lost your shit…

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

no, don’t misrepresent me, I asked you whether you believed that the deaths during WW2 were also “needless” in response to that, in which you briefly said no and moved on, ignoring my attempts to hammer the point of WHY the deaths combating genocide and the rise of fascism were not “needless” You apathetic and disingenuous scumbag Matter of fact, I’ll be right back with a picture.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

You literally just used genocidal language to justify stopping a genocide in your previous post…

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

you think I’m playing this game with you? I advocated for near-exactly what we did during ww2, you sack of shit.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

There’s your receipts, dickhead. Go fuck yourself.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

what the fuck was world war 2, you utter imbecile? Did we fucking negotiate with the third reich, or did we fucking invade with a unified international coalition to FORCIBLY STOP THE GENOCIDE? you’re a fucking sack of shit

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

I don’t need receipts. I know what I said and I know what you said. I’ve made coherent arguments. You got emotional a legitimately are trying to justify killing swathes of people.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

you don’t give a flying fuck about mass deaths as long as you’re not involved, you selfish piece of shit.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

as you sit there justifying an ongoing genocide.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Sorry, justifying not interfering or stopping an ongoing genocide* at least it’s somewhat different that sheer advocacy in favor.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

The Third Reich didn’t want to surrender without assurances, of which we told them we wanted the complete and utter surrender. They didn’t do that. You want to jump straight to that, I don’t. I believe there are better alternatives that would see less needless death.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Than*

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

is Israel going to surrender? Do you think Israel would stop their genocide, given their decades of settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing?

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

do you think we will surrender? do you think the United States is planning on stopping ours?

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

I have quite literally said numerous times that I’m not okay with Israel doing what they’re doing and you’re being performative because you’re actually fucking crazy. You went off on me after a seemingly productive conversation, apologized, and then got even crazier.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

don’t be fucking surprised when you’re criticized as complicit in genocide when you don’t want to lift a fucking finger to stop one.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

🤦‍♂️

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

actions speak louder than words, and I went off on you after you dismissed the growing genocide against us trans Americans, downplayed the dogwhistles by major Democrat politicians, and changed the topic once we seemingly discussed it too deeply.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

I didn’t dismiss anything LOL. Tell me where I dismissed it. What were my exact words?

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

let me get you MORE receipts.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Go for it. I’m still gonna need you to tell me exactly where you think I’m being dismissive.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

like just shut the fuck up for once in your life

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Tell me where this is being dismissive again?

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

Let’s not forget this

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Cherry-picking a single line doesn’t dismiss the rest of what you said, and as a trans person, your performative activism is fucking meaningless when you willingly ignore how we’re being targeted otherwise

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Yeah. What is the exact problem here? Instead of posting screenshots from a conversation that I quite literally just had with you and calling me an imbecile over and over again, you’re going to find out that you actually have to articulate something rather than just being performative outraged.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

oh my fucking god. did you want to talk about the dogwhistles at all? did you want to address the NSPM-7, or the revocation of licenses across different states? Did you want to address how multiple trans ppl, myself included, have told you how your words directly impact them, and you don’t give a fuck? Yeah, I’m calling you an imbecile over and over again because I’ve fucking had it. You do this shit every fucking day dude, and don’t think I’ve forgotten about that “transgenderism” comment.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

you want people to think of you as some kind or progressive person or some shit, without actually doing anything to support that. like what will it take to actually get through to you? genuinely?

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

please though, I definitely want to hear more about how you, a cis straight white man, thinks our perspectives regarding what we live through are essentially meaningless. that’s definitely what I want to hear…

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

I literally said I support securing basic rights and dignity. If compromise toward achievable protections makes me your enemy, then you’re arguing purity politics, not progress. You bring up states doing revocations but won’t tell me WHICH states because I think you and I know both know what party controls those states. Don’t even begin to try and dress me down on my politics when you’re the one wants to see more needless fucking death of innocents just for the sake of mental clarity.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

oh my fucking god. try to avoid the point any harder and you might break your fucking neck. did I say that it was happening in dem states? No, but I did mention the fucking dogwhistles and adoption of the same ideological oppression, I wonder why you refuse to address the lemkin institute already classifying us in the early stages of genocide.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

So if it’s not happening in Dem states…why do you think my answer would be anything other than “That’s bad”

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

that’s why you have to misrepresent me in order to defend yourself, I didn’t advocate for fucking needless death you utter dipshit, I advocated for the same fucking treatment the world gave nazi germany it’s not my fault that YOU don’t fucking think genocide is worth going to war over anymore. It’s one of the few fucking justifiable reasons for war: combatting oppression.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

or do we need to go back to this question: were the deaths that occurred under world war 2 “needless” in your eyes? If not, what difference is there between those deaths occurred under fighting Naziism and genocide, vs the deaths that theoretically would occur under fighting Zionism, white supremacy, and genocide?

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

You did LOL You said you wanted a joint UN coalition force to dismantle the US and Israeli governments you stupid fuck. You think either country is just going to be like “awww yeah our bad, come arrest us”?????

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

EXACTLY, WHAT THE FUCK WERE THE ALLIES PRIOR TO THE CREATION OF THE UN? fucking utter imbecile

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

WE DIDNT GO TO WAR OVER GENOCIDE IN WW2 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

unless you literally do not view ending genocide as worthy of fighting for

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Holy fuck. You don’t actually know why we went to war in World War II. That is wild.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

The League of Nations was prior to the UN, and that still didn’t work out 😭 That ended literally during WW2.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

what did the fucking allies inadvertently stop? do I need to spell it out for you letter by letter? do you seriously want to take the position that genocide was meaningless in world war 2?

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

You’re trying to invent a nonsensical position. The United States didn’t go to war against Japan and Germany over genocide. Japan attacked us to prevent us from using our navy from stopping them taking our overseas colonies in the Pacific. Germany was an ally of Japans and declared war on us for the sake of it.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

I don’t give a fuck about the United States, you fucking arrogant twat, I specifically said the allies.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

you’re a disingenuous scumbag, I hope you know that.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

and I’ve repeatedly stated that I advocate for the same treatment towards the United States as I do towards Israel.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Well, France and the U.K. were allies during WW1 and pretty much stayed that way. None of them declared war on Germany over genocide lol. They declared war on Germany because Germany attacked Poland.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

so, stop avoiding the point, and answer this: do you think fighting and stopping genocide is not a cause worthy of going to war over?

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

I’m not avoiding the point. You are quite literally are inventing past positions and historical facts to try and make a modern one.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

oh my fucking god, so you are taking the stance that hitler’s genocide was essentially meaningless in the allies fight against the axis, is that right?

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

and you still haven’t answered that question.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

No. No one actually knew until 1942 that a genocide was going on. They knew persecutions were happening in the 1930s, but every country was antisemitic as fuck.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

I can’t answer the question when I have to correct you on several MASSIVE historical errors that you’ve made.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

you can’t answer the question because it fundamentally destroys your argument; and you’re incorrect. people heard rumors and had some sort of understanding prior to 42, but 1941* is when confirmation via hard evidence was received by allied leaders. 44* is when the public mostly gained that evidence, despite still denying most of said evidence (hence why the US never joined, until we were directly attacked; and why there were a lot of Nazi sympathizers here)

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Don’t claim to be correcting my historical references when you’re bullshitting out your ass.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

seems like we still have a plethora of sympathizers in this nation.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

There was credible evidence of Nazis shooting USSR civilians and soldiers, not genociding Jewish people like you’re trying to let on to believe. There were rumors…but rumors are fucking rumors and if you think that’s a cause for committing your entire nation to war, then you’re fucking insane. Your historical facts are bullshit because you think we went to war over genocide and we didn’t.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

Hence why I said in 1941 the allied leaders received the first credible evidence confirming the genocide, and that in 1944 the widespread public received said evidence despite many engaging in genocide denialism, you fucking dumbass.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

you DONT think that another country committing genocide against its own citizens and citizens of surrounding nations is cause for war? And no, I didn’t say genocide was the only reason why we went to war, but by the time the United States joined, the allies were entirely aware of genocide, and THE ALLIES DID NOT STOP THE WAR UNTIL THE THIRD REICH AND ITS GENOCIDE WAS ENDED if you want to insist that the genocide was utterly meaningless in world war 2, that’s on you.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

You keep laundering your fantasy of invading multiple nuclear-armed states through WWII analogies. The Allies didn’t launch a humanitarian police action because they “heard rumors of genocide.” They fought a world war triggered by expansionist states. You’re retrofitting history to justify a reckless crusade you already wanted.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

that’s why you have to presume that I said that the allies went to war over genocide in order to defend your own bullshit, instead of just answering the actual fucking question: is ending genocide worth going to war over? you always talk so much shit about other people assuming positions when that’s all you fucking do, you little coward.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

I never said genocide was irrelevant. I said you’re abusing WWII history to dodge feasibility, scale, and consequences in the present.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

THATS WHY I NEVER SAID ENDING GENOCIDE WAS THE REASON YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT, I ASKED IF YOI THOUGHT A GOOD CAUSE FOR WAR a fucking scumbag through and through.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

Keep projecting that guilt of yours, cowardly little fuck.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Why bring up WW2 then? Lol you most definitely did. You tried to launder the fact that since the Nazis we’re killing Jews, that was enough of a reason for us to go to war, which again, is you trying to abuse and weaponize historical facts and piece them together to fit into some fucked up conflict that you fantasize about.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

give me a receipt then, since I’m able to for you. you incorrectly assumed my reasoning for bringing up ww2, which is fucking ironic given how much you complain about other people assuming your positions; which I honestly feel like is pure projection. you’re a disingenuous shithead, and you still refuse to say whether you think fighting genocide would be a just cause to go to war over; why is that, aside from you not giving a fuck about genocide?

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

I specifically and repeatedly stated how what I advocated for, that UN-led coalition, was inspired by our allies-coalition in ww2, and how that is what I was essentially trying to advocate for in response to modern day Israel and the US not only in this thread either, the other post too.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

while you’re thinking about your response, you can write your answer to this comment on the other post that you ignored too

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Who is the UN…where is based out of…what countries make up the UN…you see why I call your little fantasy bloodbath unrealistic?

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Why hasn’t Russia declared war on the US or Israel over the genocide? Why hasn’t China? Where are your great enemies of the great Satan of the West to stop genocide?

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

switched right off the topic of ww2 after you couldn’t find a receipt confirming your assumptions huh? like I said in the other post, ideally in my hopeful plan, the US would have veto rights (and hopefully membership, along with Israel and other guilty member states) revoked Or an entire new alliance could form. I personally believe that genocide is something that needs to be stopped, before the victim demographic is destroyed. do you share that view?

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

is all you’re able to do is find scapegoats and project your own guilt? did I claim that Russia or China would come to the defense or some shit? Russia is also an imperialistic and arguably genocidal state attempting to colonize its former colonies, the fuck?

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Yeah, genocide is bad. That’s why I said a 2 state solution is more viable and results in less death for everyone involved. There is zero need to throw more bodies into the fire when more viable solutions exist.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Then what fucking nations are going to form alliance against the United States to stop a genocide you stupid fuck 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ WHO. GIVE ME FUCKING NAMES DIPSHIT

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

and where is your evidence of such? We’ve been operating under attempted two-state solutions for decades now, and Israel has continuously colonized and ethnically cleansed Palestine So who is that beneficial for, aside from you and your comfort?

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

No we haven’t. This isn’t a two state solution. Gaza or the West Bank aren’t officially recognized by anyone. A two state solution means giving them complete autonomy, not bombing the fuck out of Israel and killing innocent women and children all over again.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

you need evidence to claim it’s a viable solution, not your own fucking coping and delusion. we have evidence that genocide can be stopped via war, and how violence is sometimes necessary to dismantle systemic violence, but you’d rather insist that the victims just essentially sit through it as they have been for decades?

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

If you want to kill people, just say it. I’m tired of this dance.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

what were the Oslo accords and their intentions? THIS IS WHAY I FUCKING MEAN, you only ever villify Palestinians while never recognizing the systemic violence Israel commits towards Palestine, especially its colonization.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

Name me the countries that would be in the new alliance against the United States and Israel that could feasible take out their governments. I’ll respond when you come up with the names.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

Don’t you dare fucking act like 10/7 existed in a vacuum, as terrible as that day was; it’s fucking despicable to act as if Israel did not instigate that via its continued oppression and colonization.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

how about go fuck yourself? You still haven’t answered whether you think fighting genocide is worthy of war, so fuck off until you do.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 3w

And just so you know, down the line you will be held accountable right alongside the outspoken fascists advocating for this. don’t think you’ll get off easy by “playing it safe” or whatever you think this is.

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Israel has pulled back settlements to achieve peace like in the sinai Peninsula.

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BLUE WAVE! BLUE WAVE NO!

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