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___joker__

Communism is always the end goal, that’s the point. It’s such a shame that it has to go through that insanely brutal authoritarian portion to apparently get to it though 🥴 At least it’s not fascism though!
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Anonymous 28w

Stalinism isn’t the only form of communism dude

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Anonymous 28w

You ever read up on the liberal revolutions against feudalism? They were pretty fuckin illiberal for a minute there, but I don’t think any modern liberal would be like “yeah dawg the French Revolution should’ve never happened, shit got too crazy for a minute there.” Revolution from one entire system to another will always involve extreme violence, or at the ABSOLUTE least, the credible threat of extreme violence. I don’t think that makes revolutionary thought inherently bad.

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Anonymous 28w

“By any means necessary otherwise you’re complicit” You are advocating for the invasion of Israel and the United States. Again, you are legitimately advocating for large scale death to stop large scale death

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 28w

My guy, there hasn’t been a single form of it that hasn’t ended up as single party state-controlled communism. It always ends up being antithetical to the entire point of communism. It’s comparable to fascism’s requirement of always needing an enemy.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 28w

Cuba and Vietnam disprove your point

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 28w

Both of those are one party states….Vietnam is a horrible example for you because they literally liberalized their economy in favor of markets 😭 Neither are stateless worker democracies. Come on…you know what communism is from then lil’ book, right?

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 28w

One party doesn’t mean authoritarian. Ideally, it means that political differences are discussed and considered, rather than just assigning labels to anyone who disagrees with you.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 28w

Thinking “Single-Party = Authoritarian” is so lazy when it doesn’t include tolerance of inner-party disagreement in its analysis. A single mass party with multiple opposing factions within itself can function without completely smashing dissent. Just like a multi-party system where opposition is controlled can be just as authoritarian on the ACTUAL dissenters as any one-party state, while also giving some opposition a false sense of representation (See: Russia)

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Anonymous replying to -> cheese_of_the_world_unite 28w

I honestly missed all of your comments because I’ve been having to defend my apparent complicit views on genocide for the past hour 🤷‍♂️ I would have rather stuck on this topic

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Anonymous 28w

You said you believe the UN with a coalition should invade Israel and the United States to dismantle their governments. When I stated that would entail a lot of needless death, you got mad and lost your shit…

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Anonymous 28w

You literally just used genocidal language to justify stopping a genocide in your previous post…

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Anonymous 28w

I don’t need receipts. I know what I said and I know what you said. I’ve made coherent arguments. You got emotional a legitimately are trying to justify killing swathes of people.

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Anonymous 28w

The Third Reich didn’t want to surrender without assurances, of which we told them we wanted the complete and utter surrender. They didn’t do that. You want to jump straight to that, I don’t. I believe there are better alternatives that would see less needless death.

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Anonymous 28w

I have quite literally said numerous times that I’m not okay with Israel doing what they’re doing and you’re being performative because you’re actually fucking crazy. You went off on me after a seemingly productive conversation, apologized, and then got even crazier.

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Anonymous 28w

🤦‍♂️

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Anonymous 28w

I didn’t dismiss anything LOL. Tell me where I dismissed it. What were my exact words?

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Anonymous 28w

Go for it. I’m still gonna need you to tell me exactly where you think I’m being dismissive.

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Anonymous 28w

Tell me where this is being dismissive again?

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Anonymous 28w

Yeah. What is the exact problem here? Instead of posting screenshots from a conversation that I quite literally just had with you and calling me an imbecile over and over again, you’re going to find out that you actually have to articulate something rather than just being performative outraged.

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Anonymous 28w

I literally said I support securing basic rights and dignity. If compromise toward achievable protections makes me your enemy, then you’re arguing purity politics, not progress. You bring up states doing revocations but won’t tell me WHICH states because I think you and I know both know what party controls those states. Don’t even begin to try and dress me down on my politics when you’re the one wants to see more needless fucking death of innocents just for the sake of mental clarity.

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Anonymous 28w

So if it’s not happening in Dem states…why do you think my answer would be anything other than “That’s bad”

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Anonymous 28w

You did LOL You said you wanted a joint UN coalition force to dismantle the US and Israeli governments you stupid fuck. You think either country is just going to be like “awww yeah our bad, come arrest us”?????

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Anonymous 28w

WE DIDNT GO TO WAR OVER GENOCIDE IN WW2 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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Anonymous 28w

Holy fuck. You don’t actually know why we went to war in World War II. That is wild.

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Anonymous 28w

The League of Nations was prior to the UN, and that still didn’t work out 😭 That ended literally during WW2.

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Anonymous 28w

You’re trying to invent a nonsensical position. The United States didn’t go to war against Japan and Germany over genocide. Japan attacked us to prevent us from using our navy from stopping them taking our overseas colonies in the Pacific. Germany was an ally of Japans and declared war on us for the sake of it.

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Anonymous 28w

Well, France and the U.K. were allies during WW1 and pretty much stayed that way. None of them declared war on Germany over genocide lol. They declared war on Germany because Germany attacked Poland.

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Anonymous 28w

I’m not avoiding the point. You are quite literally are inventing past positions and historical facts to try and make a modern one.

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Anonymous 28w

No. No one actually knew until 1942 that a genocide was going on. They knew persecutions were happening in the 1930s, but every country was antisemitic as fuck.

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Anonymous 28w

I can’t answer the question when I have to correct you on several MASSIVE historical errors that you’ve made.

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Anonymous 28w

There was credible evidence of Nazis shooting USSR civilians and soldiers, not genociding Jewish people like you’re trying to let on to believe. There were rumors…but rumors are fucking rumors and if you think that’s a cause for committing your entire nation to war, then you’re fucking insane. Your historical facts are bullshit because you think we went to war over genocide and we didn’t.

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Anonymous 28w

You keep laundering your fantasy of invading multiple nuclear-armed states through WWII analogies. The Allies didn’t launch a humanitarian police action because they “heard rumors of genocide.” They fought a world war triggered by expansionist states. You’re retrofitting history to justify a reckless crusade you already wanted.

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Anonymous 28w

I never said genocide was irrelevant. I said you’re abusing WWII history to dodge feasibility, scale, and consequences in the present.

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Anonymous 28w

Why bring up WW2 then? Lol you most definitely did. You tried to launder the fact that since the Nazis we’re killing Jews, that was enough of a reason for us to go to war, which again, is you trying to abuse and weaponize historical facts and piece them together to fit into some fucked up conflict that you fantasize about.

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Anonymous 28w

Who is the UN…where is based out of…what countries make up the UN…you see why I call your little fantasy bloodbath unrealistic?

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Anonymous 28w

Why hasn’t Russia declared war on the US or Israel over the genocide? Why hasn’t China? Where are your great enemies of the great Satan of the West to stop genocide?

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Anonymous 28w

Yeah, genocide is bad. That’s why I said a 2 state solution is more viable and results in less death for everyone involved. There is zero need to throw more bodies into the fire when more viable solutions exist.

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Anonymous 28w

Then what fucking nations are going to form alliance against the United States to stop a genocide you stupid fuck 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ WHO. GIVE ME FUCKING NAMES DIPSHIT

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Anonymous 28w

No we haven’t. This isn’t a two state solution. Gaza or the West Bank aren’t officially recognized by anyone. A two state solution means giving them complete autonomy, not bombing the fuck out of Israel and killing innocent women and children all over again.

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Anonymous 28w

If you want to kill people, just say it. I’m tired of this dance.

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Anonymous 28w

Name me the countries that would be in the new alliance against the United States and Israel that could feasible take out their governments. I’ll respond when you come up with the names.

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Anonymous 28w

Israel has pulled back settlements to achieve peace like in the sinai Peninsula.

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Anonymous replying to -> blue__wave 28w

BLUE WAVE! BLUE WAVE NO!

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 28w

Everyone turn off your notifications

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