Anonymous #1 2d

Hell these people will practically have an aneurysm if you tell them that we are 56th in mass shooting deaths per capita worldwide and are behind many European countries

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Anonymous #1 2d

Where are you getting the 70k a year?

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Anonymous blue__wave 2d

National Crime Victimization Survey stats

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Anonymous #1 2d

What did they have to use those guns to defend against? Oh yeah other guns.

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Anonymous #3 2d

Yeah thats actually exactly how it went down in every single case. Another gun was sitting there, menacingly, and needed to be put down.

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Anonymous #3 2d

Also where did you find a mass shooting deaths per capita list that’s oddly specific. In gun homicides per capita the U.S. is number 6 globally.

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Anonymous #3 2d

Crime prevention research center study ranked the US 56th in mass shooting deaths

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Anonymous #1 2d

Considering that’s specifically a pro-gun group which exists to create pro-gun talking points, I suspect they likely limited it it to just mass shootings to downplay how highly the U.S. ranks in overall gun homicides.

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Anonymous #3 2d

I'd like to see you disprove the data if you're so passionate, that's all just ad hominem. I know they support gun rights, I do too.

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Anonymous #1 2d

Just from a bit of reading it seems like it’s pointing to around 60k people using guns in some kind of self defense incident. Then there’s debate if people are actually using the guns properly or if it’s actual self defense. Buts it’s not “lives saved from guns”.

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Anonymous blue__wave 2d

To be legally regarded as self defense, your life must be in imminent danger, hence they are lives saved.

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Anonymous blue__wave 2d

Very simple to understand

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Anonymous #1 2d

I also don’t think the mass shooting number is correct I also don’t know why we would look at the mass shooting number, instead of gun homicide rates which the U.S. would be 23rd in 2019 with other developed countries doing better.

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Anonymous #1 2d

The U.S. is #6 in total gun homicide rates globally. The choice to narrow it down to “mass shootings per capita” was to artificially downplay where the U.S. sits in terms of gun violence.

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Anonymous #1 2d

The national crime victimization survey is a survey you don’t have to report it correctly it also depends on how they ask the question.

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Anonymous blue__wave 2d

Doesn't change the fact that you are being surveyed by a mandated reporter, response bias would say that the people most likely to tell the truth here are also the ones most likely to have not committed a crime in that situation

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Anonymous #1 2d

My understanding is that the survey doesn’t determine the legality of the “self defense” that’s a criticism laid against it by different people.

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Anonymous blue__wave 2d

Other self reported studies that do not involve mandated reporters show much higher occurrence of these incidents

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Anonymous blue__wave 2d

Oh you got 23rd? I was looking at world population review 2025 for my statistics

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Anonymous #1 2d

Why would they be surveyed by a mandated reported? The ncvs is anonymous and it’s not reported to the police that may make people less likely to be honest in their reporting.

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Anonymous #1 2d

I think you’re misrepresenting this lol.

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Anonymous #3 2d

Btw the countries with higher firearm rates (from world population review) are all in the Americas and source many or most of their illegal guns from the USA

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Anonymous #3 2d

I don't think that fairly represents the data, we are the 3rd largest country in the world. Even with the most guns, the number of gun deaths still isn't even proportional to the amount of people

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Anonymous #1 2d

It was gun homicides per capita, not overall gun homicides. It specifically was accounting for population.

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Anonymous #3 2d

If it were guns causing this, it would correlate most either to the number of guns, or the number of gun owners, both would show that the US disproportionately proves this false again. In general we have higher crime and violence stats than comparably developed nations too

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Anonymous #1 2d

It’s ultimately a factor of both crime and poverty AND guns. If it was just gun access the U.S. would be highest. If it was just poverty it would be Timor-Leste or Burundi. If gun access WASNT a factor, the U.S. and countries with access to U.S. guns wouldn’t be so high up. Poverty needs to be addressed, as does mental health, American gun culture, AND gun access. But at the moment the powers that be are just gonna do fuck all.

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Anonymous #3 2d

There’s no explanation for why the U.S. is higher than poorer nations without considering access to guns as a primary factor.

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Anonymous #3 2d

Well if we can agree that it is a disproportionately low amount of gun crime for the amount of access (maybe even showing the American people deserve more leeway in terms of gun law), I would agree that mental health and poverty need to be seriously addressed.

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Anonymous #1 2d

The U.S. having a lower rate of gun violence per gun I think can be attributed to it being less impoverished and having less crime than poorer nations (especially those in Latin America where the drug trade is prominent). However the U.S. has a disproportionately high rate of gun violence compared to similarly developed nations in a large part due to gun access. More guns mean more gun crimes.

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Anonymous #3 2d

Seems like a reasonable trade for freedom in my mind

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Anonymous #3 2d

Especially if we can use other measures to get it lower

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Anonymous #3 2d

Part of it is cultural also. I believe the U.S. has a culture that encourages gun violence in general and mass shootings in particular compared to other nations with high gun ownership rates.

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Anonymous #1 2d

Considering the U.S. government is doing an authoritarian crackdown right now and the people with the most guns are supporting it, I am skeptical of the notion that all these guns are going to be used to resist government tyranny. Kids are just dying in the name of a revolt that will never come.

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Anonymous #3 2d

It's funny that you claim to be so anti authoritarian when you're willing to suck the milk out of their tits on the gun issue

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Anonymous #3 2d

I don't disagree that Trump's an authoritarian globalist pedophile, but I would've said the same about the past 4 presidencies had you asked.

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Anonymous #1 2d

Dude I just want to live in a normal country where school shootings aren’t a regular occurrence.

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Anonymous #3 2d

Truth is though, even with all the talk of "nothing ever happens" when it comes to revolution, the tide is turning in a way thats exceptionally violent for American politics (could be seen with Hortman, Charlie Kirk, national guardsmen killings, etc), I'm certainly not giving up my guns right now.

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Anonymous #1 2d

I suppose one of the points I would argue against the “guns help a revolution which is good” is that not every violent revolt is for a good cause. Guns can be used to revolt in the name of evil ideologies. And considering that the people who own the most guns in the USA tend to be followers of authoritarian racist demagogues, I don’t think a gun revolt in America would be for a good cause

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Anonymous #3 2d

Of course they can, thats what necessitates the need for everyone to have access. In a world where having a gun makes you a criminal, only criminals will own guns.

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Anonymous #3 2d

Like most of these gun people think authoritarianism is “being asked to be nice to trans people” but are super cool with brown people being kidnapped off the street without trail and antifascist movements being declared as terrorist groups

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Anonymous #3 2d

Most of the people supporting gun control see it as legitimate lawful restrictions, not what they are, which is violence against a peaceable society. Same could be said, but the other way around, with a lot of gun rights proponents and immigration laws. These people don't see mass deportation as authoritarian.

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Anonymous #1 2d

It just feels so weird to me when we compare the US to European countries which have strict gun laws, are more democratic, and are better to live in all around. I don’t want to live in a highly unstable society where a militant group can form at any moment! And in the U.S., high gun ownership is used to justify a militarized authoritarian police force.

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Anonymous #3 2d

There's a reason we lead the globe in policing

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Anonymous #3 2d

I would way rather have a military trained officer than a female cop who accidentally shoots me after mistaking her gun for a taser

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Anonymous #1 2d

Bro just pulled out the misogyny under absolutely no pressure. Tells me most of what I need to know about you tbh

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Anonymous #3 2d

There's like 5 documented occurrences of that from female cops on bodycam

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Anonymous #3 2d

In Britain most cops just don’t carry guns so they don’t shoot random people. In terms of policing the only thing the U.S. leads the globe in is in shooting civilians and incarcerating ethnic minorities. Doesn’t have reduced crime rates though.

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Anonymous #3 2d

Have yet to see the bodycam of a vet making a similar mistake

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Anonymous #3 2d

In Britain they also have no rights and speak British, fuck off with that commie nonsense. I'd rather be dangerous and free than safe in chains

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Anonymous #1 2d

The famously communist United Kingdom, which certainly had some flawed speech laws but btw has a higher democracy index ranking than the U.S. I like the world you think we live in it’s funny (except the misogyny that’s whack). Leads to some depressing real world political beliefs though.

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Anonymous #3 2d

Yeah, keep telling yourself that the country who has to import its voters en masse and can't even fly their own flag is free.

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Anonymous #1 2d

You should stop listening to Russian bot farms on Twitter about what the UK is like

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Anonymous #3 2d

Its called X

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Anonymous #1 2d

How Trump a globalist he’s tariffing the entire world lol

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Anonymous blue__wave 2d

Controlled opposition just like Fuentes

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Anonymous #1 2d

If Elon can’t call his daughter by the right name I’m gonna keep deadnaming his dumb app

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Anonymous #3 2d

His daughter name ae12 or whatever right

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Anonymous #1 2d

No I’m referring to the teenage kid that Elon treated like absolute garbage and then got mad at when she transitioned.

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Anonymous #3 2d

Yeah ae12

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Anonymous #3 2d

Hard to believe its been 15+ years since that

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Anonymous #1 2d

X Æ A-Xii Musk (insane thing to name a child) is a different kid and is like 6

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Anonymous #3 2d

I don't think thats the case

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Anonymous #1 2d

Just look it up. The son with the fucked up name is the one Elon kept bringing to Trump’s office earlier this year.

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Anonymous #1 2d

Controlled by who?

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Anonymous blue__wave 2d

Experts contend it would be the reptilians

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Anonymous #1 2d

Good meme, so he’s not controlled by anyone?

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