Anonymous #1 3w

It's an opinion to hold but you are making this judgement based off of a persons actions in a highly emotional point. I doubt he was purposefully hailing hitler -ts gonna get me banned

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

i think as a public figure he should have more situational awareness but like come on what are we really even talking about

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Dawg, you don’t get to call the theory that “Jewish people are purposely manufacturing hatred against the whites” and these are Elon’s words, “the actual truth” and then do this particular gesture on a stage and keep denying that you know what exactly you’re doing.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Do you know what the context of the video is

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Yes, I do. And this is absolutely part of that context.

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Anonymous #1 3w

You think he was thinking about his distrust of jews after giving a speech in front of a shit load of people

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Have you ever spoken in front of a croud of people bro

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Yeah I’ve spoken in front of crowds before, never gave a Nazi salute while doing it

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Anonymous #1 3w

nah but when ur doing it ur hyper analyzing everything some people make awkward movements for this reason bro

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Maybe it was a freudian slip 😂😭😭

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

“awkward movements” and it’s literally a Nazi salute, turning around, and doing the same exact gesture again for the rest of the crowd in case they didn’t see it? Yeah man, not buying it.

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Anonymous #1 3w

You are crazy if you think the richest man alive would risk investors money to hail hitler in front of a humongous audience.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Do you know what the Afd is?

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Anonymous #2 3w

Honestly i didn't but i do now

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

What, in your mind, is that?

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Anonymous #2 3w

it's alt right party in germany

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I see he endorsed them

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Do you acknowledge that the group (Afd) endorses nazism style ideologies?

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Anonymous #2 3w

From what I can tell and have read(which is five minutes worth of reading) the afd looks like and edgy far right group that uses old nazi propaganda and campaign tactics to try to rile people up. I will say (again 5 mins of reading) their beliefs aren't inherently nazi but very anti immigrant. Either way i'm not talking about his later posts. I again HIGHLY doubt elon would go into a speech with the premeditation to hail hitler putting multiple company's stock at risk.I seethetweetsthatcamelater

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

One of their positions is criminalizing LGBTQ people. That’s a legitimate position that the nazis held.

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Anonymous #2 3w

I dont like debating social issues tbh i think you cant logically argue them

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Anonymous #2 3w

but again this isn't really a debate of weather they are nazis what the intent of the solute did he do it to be edgy like maybe bro but he's not a moron like

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I think he kind of is a moron honestly

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Anonymous #1 3w

i mean that's a thought you can definitely hold but i'd argue you don't become the richest man in the world and possibly to ever exist by being a moron

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I think you can know how to move money around and be a moron in other aspects, 100%

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Anonymous #1 3w

the two are very contradictory but okay

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I’m not debating. I’m telling you that they hold positions that the literal nazis held, outside of that rally Elon Musk endorsed them and even helped fund some of their members campaigns. It’s not just the salute, it’s the surrounding context of his behavior.

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Anonymous #2 3w

i'd argue anyone can hold a social idea and it not be inherently political

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Anonymous #2 3w

i get the context but if i'm not mistaken this all happened after the salute. It would be again a really risky thing to do said salute in such a big and televised event when you hold so many investors investments

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Do you think the want to criminalize an ethnicity or group of people with specific traits is political?

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

It didn’t.

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Anonymous #2 3w

not really you can make an argument for a social issue either way. One persons morals are always going to contrast to another's. that's why moral arguments and debates are stupid. implementing it as policy is political however that type of law doesn't ever impact anything

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Yeah if all the sudden germany started a genocide on gay people that would be bad. but banning gay stuff like people just gonna do it in secret

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

That was the policy position from the Afd. They wanted that mandated into government.

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Anonymous #2 3w

I wanna start off by saying that particular law goes against my own set of morals just so we in the same boat type shit. Again i'm not really talking about the afd, and i see where this debate is starting to go, but i digress you can make a moral argument for any and everything social. You can find a wormy ass reason for anything. Social mandates don't work they never have.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

i’m not asking if social policies are effective. Elon Musk endorsed a party that holds views held by the Nazis and you’re dismissing that

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Anonymous #2 3w

Because the party isn't implicitly nazism.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I'd say this AFD (again from my limited reading) has some similar identity's but i wouldn't call them nazis

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

But AGAIN i haven't looked in depth with this at all

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I just don’t understand why it’s so hard to believe that musk is bigoted against one group of people when it’s proven that he’s incredibly bigoted in general.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

I'm sure he is bigoted towards gay people and if you'd ask me i'd really say his hate is definitely one that resembles that of a kid who is extremely self conscious.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

like the self hating type

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Do you truly believe a party who has used nazi slogans, holds nazi views, and has members who have proudly repeated lies about the holocaust are not at all aware that their beliefs are the same as nazis and self proclaimed neo nazis today?

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Anonymous #2 3w

Ok ok slow down broski i told you i lack information on this topic. From what i've read they don't seem to unify on being neo nazis but use slogans and have some similar beliefs idk "everything for germany" is the slogan. I think this would have been used by other people eventually if we are being honest. If they identify as neo nazis the obviously they are nazis but i dont see that anywhere

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

You acknowledged they use nazi slogans, you acknowledged that they hold a position that the nazis held. Do you have to explicitly say you’re a neo nazi in order for someone to acknowledge you’re a neo nazi?

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Anonymous #2 3w

I mean saying everything for germany is whatever bro. the lgbtq this is one social belief.

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Anonymous #2 3w

and lowkey yea being a neo nazi takes a lot more then doing those two things i'd honestly argue to be a full neo nazi partly you would have to self proclaim that

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

You didn’t answer. Again, social belief that they wanted mandated into government. That’s a policy position. Whether or not wocial polices work isn’t what I’m talking about.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

So if I catch someone looking at CP, and being friends with other pedophiles. I’d be wrong in saying they’re a pedophile because they didn’t admit it?

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Anonymous #2 3w

Kind of a false analogy and you missed my point. I'm not arguing that social policy doesn't work. You can say they are an edgy homophobic group sure. True neo nazism isn't quiet. They get tattoos shave their heads this is what i meant by self identifying is the final step

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

No it’s not. I’m saying the afd does what nazis do, and believes what they believed. A guy who does what pedos do and what they believe is the same thing. But am I wrong to say he is one if he doesn’t admit it?

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Anonymous #2 3w

the singler action of liking children is what makes a pedo a pedo the culmination of beliefs and actions of nazism is what makes a nazi that's a pretty big difference

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Anonymous #4 3w

I think i'm at least a plant come on now :(

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

So when they knowingly keep members who downplay the severity of the holocaust (action), and use (action) nazi slogans, and believe the same social mandate should be in place the nazis had (belief) how does that strip them from properly being called nazis or associating with nazism?

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Anonymous #2 3w

this is a fine point however many ideology's don't think being gay should be legal this isn't a purely nazi thing. Also the downplay and the slogan yeah it's weird again i'm not arguing with you that they are good. I think people don't get how bad nazism was.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Genuine question, what is the least that someone would need to do for you to believe they were a Nazi?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

to be a genuine nazi you'd have to submit to all the core values of nazism

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

And do you know what they are?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

again i'm not saying they are good

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I just find it so fascinating that Elon can be so clearly (at least) fascist-adjacent and people will still just say he’s socially awkward.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

of course

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Can you describe them to me? And please, don’t give me that “Google it” nonsense. I’m asking you to support the argument you’re making.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

I get it i think he supports some weird things and if your highlighting that point then yeah i don't disagree. I don't think he was saluting hitler here though I just think it's semantics.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

So you truly think it’s coincidental that they knowingly believe the things nazis believe, keep people who downplay the holocaust in their party, and use slogans used by literal actual nazis? You truly think none of that is related in any way to nazism?

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Anonymous #2 3w

Honestly what i think it's trying to do i use some references to nazism to stir the pot get people talking about it and get media attention

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I think it's a weird group with weird morals and weird people but not nazis

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

It’s trying to get attention based on what evidence ? What evidence do you currently have to suggest that they don’t actually hate LGBTQ people and they just said that for attention?

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

So in order for you to accept that Musk was knowingly buying into a nazi party one of them would have had to say they were the face of the new nazi party or something?

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Anonymous #2 3w

Oh nah they probably do hate them bro im not saying they don't. But the use of nazi slogans i mean it's just cheesy almost it's like Trump when he says "make america great again" like he knows what he's doing

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

And it’s completely impossible they’re just saying these things because they believe it?

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Anonymous #2 3w

I mean i'm sure they want to make germany a better country the point is the wording they chose to use. Isn't it polarizing. If they were trying to garner popular approval they would carve themselves selves out like that. It's also pretty different from how the actual nazis came to power.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Yes or no, is it POSSIBLE that they just do and permit these things because they actually believe them?

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Anonymous #2 3w

The slogan they used even if they meant it wouldn't really swing the argument either way

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Yes or no, is it at all possible that they’re doing and saying these things simply because they just believe and agree with them?

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