
For me personally I have beliefs from both ends of the aisle but my views lean slightly more republican than liberal. So I guess I have more republican beliefs than liberal… that doesn’t mean I support everything from republicans and doesn’t mean I wouldn’t support the beliefs of a liberal woman. Also MAGA ≠ republican
I think they meant MAGA. My bf IS Republican, but he is not MAGA. He has basic human decency and doesn’t support the free speech violations and ICE raids. He and I both voted on political issues because we naively thought that one narcissistic president could be held in check by people with backbones. Neither of us is MAGA. MAGA are either ignorant or evil.
I knew Trump was a liar and a narcissist, but I cast my vote based on each candidate’s alignment with my political aims. I now realize that if the lying narcissist had been a Democrat, I would have voted for them. I just didn’t expect one person to be able to cause this much damage. Naively, I thought we were better than this.
It is sad, but not surprising. Most schools are dogwater when it comes to teaching critical thinking, and complete obedience to an authority is seen as a good quality among the religious. The mental framework to blindly follow a leader and overlook their flaws is there, not just in how many of us are raised but also in human nature.
Not everyone draws the line at direct murder of innocents. Some people do not make allowances for the ignorant. Example: if I believe that Hitler is amazing because I am unaware of the Holocaust and tolerant of the “deportation” of Jewish citizens, would you be friends with me in spite of my support for a morally bankrupt leader?
The truth, if you’re willing to honestly and intelligently analyze the evidence, is that Trump is a morally bankrupt, corrupt leader. Not everyone is willing and able to see that, and some even go so far that they willingly justify moral atrocities (such as underfeeding pregnant women in custody) just because Trump does not condemn them.
What I said about Hitler was a thought experiment. If you’re going to he turned off by the word Hitler, I’ll say Putin or “school bully” or something. Just envision a bad person that your friend follows, aids, and abets out of ignorance. That’s the important takeaway: it’s a moral question of whether to befriend people who follow bad leaders out of ignorance.
Again. This is a HYPOTHETICAL situation. It involves entering the mindset of someone who believes Trump is doing evil things and seeing it from their perspective. The buzzword comment was in reference to the way you immediately classified the example as a “Hitler argument” instead of listening to what I actually said.
FYI I have no problem jumping into different mindsets myself. If you ask me to imagine how a Christian would see pro-choice arguments, from a perspective that every fetus has an immortal soul that may or may mot be saved if it dies before birth, I can do that. That’s all I’m asking you to do.
I did. I just struggle to see how we started with “you should be able to talk to those you disagree with politically” to “well some people justify genocide, so I wouldn’t want to be friends with them”. Like of course you wouldn’t. No sensible person would 😂. My point is you straw manned my original point I was trying to make talking about Hitler
Well I suppose the argument is “you should be able to talk to those you disagree with politically” which clearly you don’t fully believe in because I don’t believe we would have engaged this far if you did. But then again I could be wrong, you could just love to debate as much as I do
It’s not exactly that I love to debate per se, just that I like to seek the truth and share it. You might notice that my point doesn’t seem all that clear. That’s because I’m not actually here to take a stance and defend it to the death. I’m throwing ideas around to see how long they survive. I’ll throw out all my beliefs if I think they’re false.
The Hitler scenario was NOT meant to prove a point. It was meant to illustrate another person’s perspective. I was asking you to imagine what YOU would do if your friend followed Hitler out of ignorance, because that is how many people see MAGA. That would tell you what kind of hypothetical non-MAGA you would be.
If that hypothetical feels insulting to you, I get it. It’s tough to imagine bad qualities onto yourself, but it’s essential to understanding other people. I do it all the time actually: there are people in my life who hate me, and I am able to see it from their perspective, understand why, and better avoid their attacks. It’s a useful skill.