Anonymous OP 8w

You don’t have to prove innocence. Burden of proof is on the accuser. Prove intent

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Anonymous #2 8w

A UN commission of independent members have made a legal finding of genocide, it’s already been proven

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Anonymous OP 8w

An independent commission of the UN has no legal authority to make legal findings

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Anonymous #2 8w

Yes it does. It is clear you don’t understand how the Un works. Independent just means that the ppl on it weren’t Israeli, Palestinian, or their allies. Ppl with no stake in the game

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Anonymous #2 8w

And they do have that authority

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You must be illiterate

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Anonymous OP 8w

Lmao I love how you think independent = legal authority

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Anonymous #2 8w

I don’t. I just explained to you what independent means in this context. I fear you are also illiterate

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Anonymous #2 8w

Their authority comes from the UN charter

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Anonymous OP 8w

You responded to my factual assertion that a UN commission does not have the legal authority to declare a genocide under the 1948 Genocide Convention with… the definition of independent. And you’re dishing out “illiterate”?

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Anonymous #2 8w

You said an independent commission has no authority on the grounds that it is independent. You didn’t mention the Geneva convention, and you would have been wrong if you had. Again, it comes from the charter. The Geneva convention defines, amongst other things, the crime of genocide, not how the UN operates

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Anonymous OP 8w

Huh?? On the grounds that they’re independent? Who said that?? I said they have no legal authority

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Anonymous #2 8w

I think you’re illiterate partially because you’re using words like “factual” to describe unfactual things

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Anonymous #2 8w

And you said that independent ≠ legal authority

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Anonymous OP 8w

The UN investigates, the ICJ adjudicates. I think you need to need to take a moment to yourself and read

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Anonymous OP 8w

Correct. Because being independent does not automatically make you a legal authority on a matter lol

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Anonymous OP 8w

I independently think you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re not all of a sudden legally mentally deficient. It’s just a recommendation

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Anonymous #2 8w

I’ve already read the UN charter, which establishes all this. You need to stop justifying the fact that you are racist against Palestinians and are pro-genocide

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Anonymous #2 8w

But I never said it did you nincompoop

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Anonymous #2 8w

So again, independent means unbiased in that sentence. If you can’t understand that you are illiterate

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Anonymous #2 8w

Unable to read

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Anonymous OP 8w

No one is arguing against that dude. How do you feel confident enough to call people illiterate when you can’t read what you’re responding to

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Anonymous #2 8w

An independent commission isn’t a special kind of commission. Independent functions as an adjective, not part of a proper name. I can’t believe I have to spell this out on an app made for college students

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Anonymous OP 8w

You are literally arguing with a ghost. No one questioned what independent means. You seems to not understand what “legal authority” means if you think that somehow has anything to do with being independent

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Anonymous OP 8w

I feel like I’m being punk’d with how every message you send is completely irrelevant to what anyone is arguing about

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Anonymous #2 8w

You are the first person to bring up tho whole independent/legal authority thing and literally did the exact thing you’re accusing me of

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Anonymous OP 8w

Zionists make the argument that an independent commission doesn’t have legal authority because it is “independent of the icc” when that is not what that means

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Anonymous #2 8w

If you can’t understand the relevance I again suggest illiteracy

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Anonymous OP 8w

Did you not look at my screenshot that came before yours? I stated the fact that the commission does not hold legal authority, only to investigate and to recommend. And you responded explaining the definition of “independent.”

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Anonymous #2 8w

I have explained 8 different ways that I don’t think it has anything to do with being independent

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Anonymous OP 8w

That’s not why they don’t have legal authority lol, because they don’t. The ICJ does

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Anonymous #2 8w

The ICC has legal authority and if you think they don’t, I again refer you to the UN charter

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Anonymous #2 8w

Did you look at my reply to that

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Anonymous #2 8w

The ICC is legally independent of the UN to avoid the political pressure of countries like the U.S. influencing its decisions. It is wholly endorsed by the UN

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Anonymous OP 8w

ICC and the ICJ have different functions. The ICC prosecutes individuals for crimes. And they don’t even have Genocide as a charge currently out for Netanyahu. Only varying war crimes. Once again, the UN commission has no legal authority. The ICJ does to declare a country committed genocide, and the ICC to charge individuals for it. Neither of which currently has determined genocide has occurred. Yet. But as it stands, no, neither legal authority has declared Israel has committed genocide

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Anonymous #2 8w

The ICC focuses exclusively on crimes against humanity, like those Netanyahu has been charged with

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You just demonstrated the exact logical fallacy that OP is referring to

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Anonymous OP 8w

None of which are currently genocide

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Anonymous #3 8w

No. They’re referring to the fact that if Israel is committing a genocide then they’re doing the worst job at it historically. His implied question is, could there be something other than an intent to ethnically cleanse Palestinians that would better explain their poor “cleansing” results.

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Anonymous #4 8w

Another deranged racist in the chat

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Anonymous #2 8w

I’m no international law expert but lemme ask this: what does it mean to “blot out the memory of Amalek?”

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Anonymous #5 8w

Oh shit, dude good find. Quickly tell the ICC and ICJ they missed something!!

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You realize that this graph completely ignores the fact that Gaza and the West Bank are two separate populations with two separate treatments by Israel right?

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Seems like a cope response ngl

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Anonymous #5 8w

I just wonder how could the actual international law experts could miss something so damning

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First of all there's others variables here like birth rate and prior population. Second of all Gaza's numbers specifically are actually decreasing

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Anonymous #4 8w

Do you think that the Holocaust is representative of every single genocide? Many historical genocides target a regional subset of an ethnicity. When Turkey genocided the Pontic Greeks, it was leaving the Istanbul Greeks alone.

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Anonymous #2 8w

Now don’t you look like a fucking clown

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Anonymous OP 8w

Sigh, we’re back to square one again? The commission. Does. Not. Have. Legal. Authority. They make recommendations

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Anonymous #2 8w

Wdym the “actual experts”. The UN is the only authority on international law

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Anonymous #2 8w

So if they just make recommendations why is there a warrant out for his arrest?

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Anonymous #2 8w

If what you say is true they couldn’t issue a warrant

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Anonymous OP 8w

Dude look at the warrant. It’s public. Genocide is not on it. Just war crimes

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Anonymous #2 8w

Yes those crimes are defined under the genocide codes. Are we done being obstinately stupid? What would you call the crime of extermination if not a crime related to genocide?

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Anonymous #2 8w

You’re also not helping ur case. “Oh he wasn’t committing genocide he was just trying to exterminate the population”

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Anonymous #2 8w

And also don’t think ppl don’t notice that every time I prove you wrong tou switch to some new invalid line of argumentation hoping that maybe you’ll get that one past me

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Anonymous OP 8w

If a crime of “committing genocide” exists and he is not charged with them, then he has not been charged with it. I have not moved a single goalpost. My only 2 claims were: 1. A UN committee has no legal authority 2. Charges of genocide have not been filed These aren’t hard concepts, nor are they difficult to answer with a simple Google search

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Anonymous #2 8w

Extermination is an act of genocide. He is charged with ACTS OF GENOCIDE. I have explained all of this. You either can’t read or are dumb

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Anonymous OP 8w

Dude. You can’t keep citing the commission as a source for the warrants when they aren’t connected lol, they don’t send out the warrant. Genocide is a literal charge that the ICC can charge someone with. And they did not. Very simple

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Anonymous #2 8w

Yeah it is strange, but with regards to primary sources, what better source is there than the literal horse’s own mouth? https://vimeo.com/1104884095?fl=pl&fe=sh

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Anonymous #5 8w

A better source would probably be the judicial body that’s job is to charge and prosecute. Another great find dude!! Can’t believe the ICC missed another one!

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Anonymous OP 8w

For contrast, here’s someone actually charged with Genocide. 3 counts of it actually

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Anonymous #2 8w

So basically what you’re saying is that if a person/group TELLS YOU HONESTLY that THEY THEMSELVES intend to genocide a population they’re already killing off and starving intentionally (as per Netanyahu’s ICC warrant), then that’s somehow *not* a reason to believe that they’re committing a genocide???

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Anonymous #5 8w

If that’s what he said and that’s what it was, then the ICC would have no problem charging him with it. But clearly it doesn’t

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Anonymous #2 8w

You’re focusing too much on Netanyahu himself. If you look at the video you’ll notice top Israeli gov officials (e.g. Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich) saying it along with a clip of an IDF platoon chanting it followed by “There are no uninvolved civilians.” Not to mention the fact that the video is literally from an ISRAELI human rights organization (B’Tselem) so if you wanna argue that it’s propaganda, you’d have to explain why Israeli citizens themselves would endanger themselves like that..

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Anonymous #5 8w

Did you submit this to the ICC? This must have taken extreme investigative work to uncover so much that they didn’t have access to

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Anonymous #2 8w

U r a delusional rage baiter

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Anonymous OP 8w

It’s not ragebait to continue to make the same point until you understand that your opinions are conflicting with reality. You don’t know more than the actual experts. You don’t know more than the actual courts. You don’t know more than anyone really

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