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___joker__

Moral argument really is the only one that matters 🤷‍♂️ You’re never going to convince someone of the zygote argument. Calling into question consciousness is infinitely better. I’m more of a “abortion for thee but not for me” type
What's your stance on abortion without using any moral or religious reasoning?
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Anonymous 4w

My point is being about to make an argument without any moral or religious context in general. If you can’t any a single point without those you need to strengthen your arguments.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 4w

Abortion is inherently normative. There is no such thing as a completely non-moral abortion argument. Even legal arguments rest on moral premises.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 4w

Even if abortion involves moral questions, it doesn’t mean every argument about it is moral. Law, medicine, and public policy regularly operate without deciding moral truth, they focus on rules, facts, consistency, and consequences. A moral argument asks whether something is right or wrong. A non-moral argument asks how laws should function, how rights are structured, or what outcomes policies produce, regardless of personal beliefs about right and wrong. It is possible.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 4w

You can avoid religious reasoning, but you can’t avoid normative premises. The moment you talk about rights, consequences, consistency, or how laws should function, you’re making value judgments. That’s secular moral reasoning.

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Anonymous replying to -> ___joker__ 4w

I’m not saying moral or religious arguments aren’t allowed. I’m saying that if your position only works when people already share your moral or religious beliefs, it’s not a strong public argument. In debates, you need reasons that stand even for people who don’t share your worldview, otherwise the argument isn’t persuasive outside your own framework.

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