Anonymous #1 12w

They already don't allow them here tho

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Anonymous #1 12w

Double. Fucking. Check. A red state will not save you when our politicians have the same list of surveillance-state donors and Trump is making partnerships with palantir. This QR code goes to Deflock.org with a map of every flock camera in the nation

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Anonymous OP 12w

Checked it the other day, plus we have laws against them here. Whenever I check my home town in a blue state it looks like a fucking measles outbreak on the map.

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Anonymous #1 12w

take a look at florida. and the carolinas. this Is Not a blue state exclusive issue

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Anonymous OP 12w

Not to mention deflock doesn't even track the trail cams and traffic cams that the PD installs there themselves

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Anonymous OP 12w

I'm not saying red states are immune to this either, just that it's being made out to be a red state/republican issue when I have experienced the exact opposite

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Anonymous OP 12w

More so than red/blue I think this is an authoritarian/anarchist issue though

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Anonymous #1 12w

Every anarchist leaning state (MT, ID, NH, VT, ME) has largely ignored this trend while every authoritarian leaning state (MA, FL, TX, CT) has followed it

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Anonymous #1 12w

No that I would agree with

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Anonymous #1 12w

They’re in every state bro. It’s not red v blue anymore. It’s up vs down.

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Anonymous #1 12w

Interested on how/why you classify those states as those. I mean it makes sense and you’re right but interested to hear

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Anonymous #5 12w

Not true. FLOCK and other companies have been putting up more cameras then allowed by contract, has continued recording after being told to stop, and has been found to sell this data to agencies like ICE which uses it to harass, stalk, and abduct Americans. Not to mention lots of police divisions have been negotiating the contracts without civilian control.

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Anonymous stoner22 12w

Idk how you’re saying my statement is not true. Literally Flock is used every day to help investigate at least one thing or more of what I mentioned each day. Personally, found a missing elderly man with dementia. Used it to solve a drive-by shooting. Caught multiple people in felony warrants. Caught a habitual drunk to keep him off the road. That’s just off the top of my head

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Anonymous stoner22 12w

I agree that they need to be properly taken down when contracts are done. There are also a lot of contracts that are done through police departments that the public isn’t aware of because we want to give up as little investigative tools to keep them as effective as possible.

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Anonymous #5 12w

The not true was aimed at the “no one cares about Joe Schmoe driving around” part.

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Anonymous #5 12w

Would half the point of cameras not be a social deterrent. People are less likely to act “bad” if they know they are there so why not make it public? Unless there was also concern about people not being pleased with mass surveillance?

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Anonymous stoner22 12w

Well if people know about the presence but not the locations or what they look like, that would have potential. Now people with enough planning could much easily avoid them now they are tracked. There is a reason why, even in a court of law, revealing some of our investigative practices still have legal protections. I know the point you’re making, it can be a tool because walmart uses fake cameras in their aisles to deter shoplifting.

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Anonymous stoner22 12w

Also the random Joe thing. Like anything, a useful system can be abused. To me, they should make the laws regarding misuse of privileged information massively more harsh along with other laws at that. Change the minimums to majorly outweigh the usefulness of the information to obtain. Part of searching stuff in flock system requires us to places reasons and information to why we are using the system

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Anonymous #5 12w

surveillance state of course supported by a literal fed lmao

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Anonymous #6 12w

I’m not a fed. I’m local law enforcement. I’d invite you for a ride along if you were in my locality to show you how they help us. Shoot go to your local department and do a ride along and ask them about their views on flock if they use it. I’ve changed a couple minds already from some riders I’ve had in my patrol car. Seeing first hand how the cameras help victims and vulnerable people can do wonders

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