Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

I was speaking more to their statement about the country getting more conservative as some sort of reaction to liberal politics

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

Well sure, you’re saying that they’re responding in the way they do because they were conditioned to respond that way based on the propoganda they consume and whatnot. But this is why I commented on your post originally, political ideology isn’t just driven by propaganda, there are moral truths that people arrive at over time that heavily sway their beliefs and ideological alignment. These conservatives are partly responding this way because they’ve been told to but also because they’re being

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

Held to moral standards that are only held by people who are more left leaning. Many of them likely don’t see an issue with only looking out for reducing suffering in people who are immediately close to them. Many of them probably don’t have an issue with Christianity being intimately tied to governance. Etc

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

That’s all conditioned tho. People rarely come to conclusions “on their own” especially when those conclusions are exactly what the status quo is or demands. And doubly so if it’s not even the status quo, but the status quo ante

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Anonymous og_beer 1w

A lot of that effort is wasted

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

It’s not wasted, and is vital to longstanding support and growth. In the immediate it mate not be successful, but long term if this was the most acceptable approach you’d see a lot more deviation in right wing politics. People go where they feel heard and wanted. They don’t go where they feel hated. Intolerance of the beliefs, intolerance of the behaviors, but not intolerance of the person. Kicking them out of our society drives them into a horrible one that accepts them and supports its growth

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Anonymous og_beer 1w

I really do not think they are victims of “leftist hatred” tho. They are victims of their ways of thinking. For most leftists on the day to day, there isn’t active warfare against the right. Our effort is focused on class warfare. There are online “leftists” who spend all day in the “trenches” of the internet but neither group approaches the other in good faith. For most of us, we simply choose not to associate with these sorts of people.

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Anonymous og_beer 1w

In my personal experience I tried being around these sorts, and it just was constant judgement on their end and constant exhaustion on my end. Certain mental structures cannot be informally deconstructed. We can’t individually move bedrock in these people’s minds.

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

Which is why I’m saying this is a nature vs nurture conversation. Sure they didn’t come to it “on their own” if you wanna say that every thought we have is a thought we didn’t choose to have and only the product of all our experiences…etc.

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

That’s why it can’t be individual. It has to be a widespread adoption. If it’s continuous exposure we will have change. This is all about the long game

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 1w

Point being that people do have some autonomy or at least feel like they do, they’re capable of reading other opinions and changing their beliefs despite the influence of propaganda on their lives

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