You have no access to a mind-independent reality (objectivity) to begin with.

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Yes. Welcome to reality.

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Anonymous #3 11w

Assigning a belief to me and then arguing against that belief is hilarious ngl

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Anonymous #3 11w

Prove that god even exists

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Under your worldview, you subscribe to the opinion of a gods subjective view of morality

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That’s not objective then. It’s just you pretending it is when in reality, you’re listening to the opinion of something you think is an authority figure

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Anonymous #3 11w

The bible condoned slavery

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So God made a standard on what was right and wrong, does that standard apply today him?

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Anonymous #3 11w

If we’re all born with an innate understanding of morality then why are you arguing right now? If we all believed the same thing then there wouldn’t be an argument

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Morality is objective because people can define it that way. The objectivity of morals comes from the way a moral system is constructed, and from the fact that people enforce and adhere to it.

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They aren’t arguing that you made them up in your head, they’re arguing that your experience of reality is dependent on your having a head. You live in your mind

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What’s crazy about it? Whether or not you cease to exist after you die, your subjective experience of life started when your brain started working and it’ll end when your brain starts working. All of your living experiences are experienceable because you have a mind. Sure, that’ll be different in the afterlife but we aren’t talking about the afterlife right now

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How do you know I’m not made up in your head. Wake up Gerald. You’re in a comma. Your family misses you.

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You fear it but you have to come to terms with it if you want to see your real life ever again. Your name is Gerald

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Not really, we can see examples of people who had brain injuries or came into and out of vegetative states.

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That seems theologically unsound seeing as you’re only supposed to do that after you’re dead. I mean people have visions but that doesn’t have to do with a near-death experience necessarily

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Anonymous #6 11w

No it didn’t. Well not the slavery you’re thinking. They were bond servants and they were treated like family and actually chose to stay after 7 years. Don’t deflect from the fact that you still have to stand before God one day. Jesus died for our sins and anyone who believes will be saved

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In that case the authors of scripture should have looked out into the world and differentiated between different sorts of slavery. I understand the Old Testament was more interested in the society of ancient Israel, but the authors of the gospels could have compared that sort of slavery to the kind of slavery that was practiced in the Roman Empire

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Anonymous #3 11w

Be my bond slave then

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Anonymous #6 11w

I also reject your assertion that the only slavery condoned in the bible is bond servants who were treated like family. What a ridiculous statement. The old testament explicitly endorses chattel slavery.

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Anonymous #6 11w

Leviticus 25:44-46 specifically says slaves are property and can be inherited

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Anonymous #3 11w

Yes it did

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In Roman times, while the gospels were being written? I mean I know the modern anti slavery movement was Christian, but the pro-slavery movement was also Christian, because nearly everyone was a Christian

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Doesn’t that support my point? If the senses were objective, rather than a product of the mind, then psychoactive drugs wouldn’t do anything to affect my experience of the world

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Anonymous bongo_fury 11w

The Author of scripture is God. 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; — 2 Timothy 3:16

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Anonymous #3 11w

Dude can you read the verse? It says “inspired” there. “Inspired by god.” If he meant that god literally wrote the scriptures then we would have said that. I know the scriptures are divinely inspired. When something is divinely inspired, it has a human author. The scriptures are divinely inspired texts with several human authors, which should be understood in their cultural and historical context.

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Anonymous bongo_fury 11w

That’s one translation. God spoke every word. Other versions say “God breathed”. You’re spiritually in darkness so you don’t have the ability to understand anyway. “But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2‬:‭14‬ ‭

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Anonymous #3 11w

Then why are you talking to me right now? Why aren’t you hermiting yourself in a cave somewhere, waiting to keel over and go to heaven?

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Anonymous #3 11w

Furthermore that also isn’t what the verse is saying, the “natural man” of this verse is a person who has a specific outlook towards god and spirituality, not a constitutional inability to have faith and to accept god. He cannot understand them because “they are foolishness to him;” he chooses not to take them seriously so by extension he chooses not to understand them. It isn’t saying he literally couldn’t understand if he tried. He just needs a change of his perspective.

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That is very true, and I don’t by any means want to be downplaying the Christianity of the abolitionists

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Anonymous bongo_fury 11w

Time to move on and not cast my pearls before swine. You’re unable to understand and you don’t want to know Truth. You just want any excuse to live in sin and not feel guilty. ✌🏻

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Anonymous #3 11w

You just want to pretend your god exists so you can feel better about your flawed ideology lol

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Anonymous #3 11w

Man can’t afford to stay wrong about scripture today, he needs a break

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