Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Listen. There’s communist, which is fine. Then there’s authoritarian leftist that opposes all US intervention to the point of denying Soviet atrocities or the crimes of Serbian forces during the Yugoslav wars. Or defending Pol Pot’s genocide in Cambodia. Those are Tankies. Being against Tankies isn’t anti-communist.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Ah yes, another Black Book of Communism reader

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Anonymous #2 4w

There are communists who defend CIA backed Pol Pot lol? Not any serious ones at least lmao

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Anonymous #3 4w

I’m not saying communists. I’m saying auth-left individuals who think the people of Eastern Europe did not suffer under Soviet repression. I point at Noam Chomsky as an example because he penned articles in support of Pol Pot and never walked back those claims.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

I’m legitimately not sure if this is a diss at me or not. I don’t have ill will towards Marxists. I have issues with terminally online, far-left chuds who defend anti-US regimes to the point of denying atrocities and genocide.

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Anonymous #2 4w

If “Soviet repression” was so bad why do most people who lived during that era say they’d rather have the USSR back? Chomsky was buds with Epstein and also I don’t put politicians on pedestals (except Che he’s a cutie patootie)

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Anonymous #2 4w

You getting to that point without reading TBBoC is more embarrassing than any diss I could throw at u

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

The USSR had guarantees of food, medical care, and housing. People were cared for and had a pension to look forward to. Modern Russia has consolidated all its wealth at the top to a point that many basic services have a tough time running. The soviet repression in airquotes is offensive for completely ignoring the secret police forces in soviet blocs that created miserable conditions for millions of people.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

The reason communism is hated by so many Eastern European countries is that Russia subjugated millions of people and silenced dissent for decades. Communism failed to provide for people by the end of the soviet union and instead left people in such miserable conditions that millions rose up and forced the Russians out.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

“Getting to that point.” That I have a problem with genocide denial and historical revisionism?

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Anonymous #2 4w

The Soviet Union didn’t silence dissent *enough* tbh

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Look man. What is your problem? I can see there are people who speak in glowing terms about their daily lives under the USSR. I can also look at the Stasi and KGB being oppressive dicks. The latter is what I have a problem with.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

You have time to make memes. You must have time to point out what wrong point I’m making other than the conflict of people liking the social programs of USSR and a lot of people being sent to gulags.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Didn’t you deny a genocide

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone who actually lived in the USSR say that they’d rather have it back…

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Anonymous #2 4w

Wildly inflated figures by medal of freedom recipient Robert Conquest. I’m not saying the gulags were a good system, but there was never any plan to kill the detainees, and often they were there in lieu of military service. The maximum sentence was 10 years, the vast majority were released. The imprisonment of political dissidents was a direct reaction to the myriad outside agitators attempting to dismantle the Soviet Union.

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Anonymous #4 4w

I’ve been accused of lots of bullshit; please narrow it down

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People I’ve met IRL. Not cherry-picked clips or actors

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Can’t remember whether you denied the Holodomor, the Uyghur genocide, or the current Ukrainian genocide tbh

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

I’ve proffered no inflated figures. Though I do know TBBOC inflated figures to a point of discrediting swathes of the work. Also worth mentioning some of the biggest European anti-communists at the END of the Soviet Union were former communists. Outside agitators did not have as much impact on the fall of the Soviet Union as the Soviets did themselves by their own ideology failing on its own terms.

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Anonymous #4 4w

Well gee, I wonder why people who fled the USSR would think negatively about it? It’s like Cubans in Miami who hate Castro lmao.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Oh inflated figures, you meant my comment about millions in the gulags. My bad.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Why would they think negatively about it? Because some of them fled antisemitism. Some of them fled Ukraine only recently.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Now this is just my opinion but I don’t consider an international propaganda campaign (the Cold War) and all the proxy conflicts therein, or the infiltration for the party by anti-Soviets to be “failing on [their] own terms.”

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

A recent Pew poll showed very different results

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Anonymous #4 4w

And if you ask Europeans and Americans today who beat the Nazis out of Europe they’ll say “The good ol’ US of A” when actually it was the Res Army. Total cultural victory for “free” market economics unfortunately.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

I’d like to specify that I said by the END of the Soviet Union. 50-70’s? People were past Stalin doing Stalin things but the United States leaned hard into destabilizing communism wherever it could. I don’t doubt people enjoying the security that came with the socialist structures. I have a problem with denying atrocities that did indeed happen throughout the entirety of the Soviet Union’s history.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Europeans absolutely do not say that lmfao

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Anonymous #2 4w

My point in all of this was calling out far-left individuals who say that communism never did wrong and America always bad. I can separate what communism did right and how it ended by failing to provide what it set out to do.

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Wow ok. I was trying to approach in good faith but you are flat out denying the genocide of Uyghurs now.

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Anonymous #2 4w

“Former Socialism’s faults” by Hakim on YT is a good video about what socialism got wrong. As a Marxist it is important to study their mistakes and learn from them. America IS always bad tho.

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Nope. Fuck off. I tried to be reasonable and you are simping for despots.

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Anonymous #2 4w

The same people in the US state department who accuse China of genocide are quite literally denying and funding the real genocide of Palestinians. It’s pure projection of the highest order

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Anonymous #3 4w

Hey so all genocides are bad and I don’t think anyone uses the state department as their sole source of info

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Anonymous #3 4w

Both are genocides and I’m not one to defend the US state department. Especially under this current administration.

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Anonymous #4 4w

Ah so that White genocide is real too right? the only claims for genocide in China trace either straight to state department funded sources like “radio free Asia” and Adrian Zenz lol

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Anonymous #3 4w

If it’s on the news it MUST be true

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Anonymous #4 4w

“Europeans absolutely do not say that lmfao”

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Anonymous #3 4w

Survivor testimonies, UN Human Rights Office, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch but go off sweetie. There is no white genocide, let’s not be silly

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Have a look at Germany

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Anonymous #4 4w

Ofc there’s no white genocide, that dosent mean there are tons of articles and “persecuted Christians” who claim so. There is simply no material evidence for that, or evidence for genocide China outside of manufactured propaganda, which claims rejected by every predominantly Muslim nation.

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Anonymous #3 4w

…do you think Christians aren’t persecuted in India and Nigeria? Not to genocide levels, but there’s absolutely persecution by large terrorist groups or the government

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Anonymous #4 4w

They’re the closest to remembering, which makes sense. I was about to send you this exact chart lmao

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Anonymous #3 4w

Surely no Palestinian Christians are persecuted…

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Anonymous #4 4w

I never claimed they aren’t persecuted, if you read again my comment you will clearly see I’m talking about white western evangelicals

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Anonymous #4 4w

Read my comment again why don’t you lol

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Anonymous #4 4w

There is a direct line between America being the only country that wasn’t bombed to shit after WW2 to our complete cultural dominance in the following decades. They got straight to work on the propaganda

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Anonymous #3 4w

Sorry, I don’t look to many predominantly Muslim nations as bastions of human rights. Turkey called China out until they needed better trade relations, and that’s likely why every other predominantly Muslim nation never called China out. There are UN investigations into this and reports from multiple human rights orgs

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Anonymous #4 4w

Palestinian Christians are being persecuted by Israel, yeah. Israelis have even attacked Orthodox Jewish people before tho so at least they don’t discriminate

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

It’s funny it’s like they think “free” media in the west owned by capitalists don’t have any incentives to distort the truth or straight up lie all the time, which they do lol

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Anonymous #4 4w

Ah yes the completely unbiased HRW and the UN lol. I’ve literally seen them cite Adrian Zenz chairman of the “Victims of communism memorial foundation” in Washington DC with a straight face lol

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Anonymous #3 4w

The UN is no longer credible? And what about amnesty international?

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Anonymous #4 4w

So send the reports then 🤔 Also America has the largest prison population ever in history—1.9 million people—98% of whom are in on a plea deal and didn’t even get a trial. These people are exploited for cheap labor; private prisons are multi-billion dollar industries. So if you wanna talk human rights let’s start at home, mmkay?

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Anonymous #4 4w

Credible if you are a US sentator lol. If you live in reality no not at all lmao

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Literally there is infinitely more evidence that the American prison system is meant to enact genocide against the exploited and impoverished Black and Brown communities

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

There’s the deflection. Breaking: America sucks too, and we can walk and chew gum at the same time

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Anonymous #4 4w

The difference is that there is real material evidence for Americas crimes and genocide

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Anonymous #3 4w

Tursunay Ziyawudun, Mihrigul Tursun, Nyrole Elimä?

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Anonymous #3 4w

There’s no use in debating the US’ genocides. We all agree on them

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Anonymous #4 4w

“I don’t look to Muslim many predominantly Muslim nations as bastions of human rights” they typed, in a Christian-majority country that had forced indigenous peoples onto reservations and POC into slavery (rebranded as prison now).

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Sorry, I didn’t choose where I was born and don’t have the means to move. Do you want to actually engage or continue being lazy?

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Anonymous #4 4w

You’re trying too hard with a genocide denier. Time is better spent convincing a mountain to jump or telling a Republican to not molest children.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

They literally don’t see the irony in that statement it’s the peak of delusion lmao

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Anonymous #4 4w

I want you to “actually engage” your brain and stop being reactionary. Your values are not consistent which is why I don’t care about the value judgments you are attempting to impart upon me.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

I provided names of witnesses who have testified to their own experiences. It’s not my job to educate you. It’s interesting that as soon as China is questioned, every NGO that has a record of criticizing Israel is suddenly somehow an arm of the state department. And when all else fails, just bring up the US, even though that was never up for debate because we all agree. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.

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The holodomor was a massive failure of Soviet agricultural policy and Stalin’s govt, combined with two years of drought. Not targeted at Ukrainians. More Kazakhs died—why don’t we hear about it from them?—and additionally 2 million Russians. Genocide is a very specific term.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Clarifying because I am not denying *that* the famine happened, just adding that it was not intentional—nor beneficial—to the USSR. The Cuban revolution learned from this example and worked much more closely with agricultural workers/peasants instead of excluding them.

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