Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

They’re not citizens. They don’t belong here. Therefore they should be removed. I don’t know how you can pretend that’s not the case

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Anonymous OP 2d

Non citizens have rights too, committing a misdemeanor doesn’t mean that someone forfeits all rights to lawful treatment and protection from cruel and unusual punishment.

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Anonymous #2 2d

- you crazy fucks would find them, kill then and their families. - what trial needs to be had?? - resisting an officer automatically allows them to use force to detain you. - violation of the first amendment how??? - no because all of your fucking points are stupid.

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Anonymous OP 2d

- yes - the trial guaranteed to everyone within the country. It’s the law of the land, not the law of the people - I said excessive force - kidnapping of journalists, blackbagging anti genocide activists, assaulting peaceful protesters outside of ICE facilities

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

Also worth mentioning that the misdemeanor that most of these illegal immigrants have on their records is only the thinnest pretext for the goal of making the country more white/native. It’s cheaper, safer, and better for the economy to collect the $250 fine for illegal entry and help provide a path to legal citizenship instead of rounding people up like animals.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

Tell me now. What trial needs to be had? They also have the right to go the fuck back home and they refuse to do so lmao

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Anonymous OP 2d

They also have the right to seek asylum babes

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Anonymous OP 2d

If the cartels really put a price on ice agents heads then where’s the announcement from any cartel? I wonder how they planned to let people know about the bounty without telling anyone about it? 🧐

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Anonymous OP 2d

I’ll tell you when I get to you gd 😅 they have a right to due process. That means that they must be told what crime they supposedly committed, have access to representation, some sort of trial, etc. Expedited trials don’t take very long, the trump admin could do that but instead they chose to violate the constitution to arrest and deport without due process

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Anonymous #2 2d

😭😭😭😭 buddy you just admitted you’d murder them, nothing you say can be taken seriously now. “Are you legal?” “No” *end of trial* that’d be the dumbest use of criminal resources.

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Anonymous OP 2d

It’s self defense, not murder. If armed masked men who don’t identify themselves show up at my door, I’m exercising my goddamn second amendment rights because it’s my right to do so

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Anonymous OP 2d

Also if you impede federal officers, expect to get a shove to the ground or a baton to the face. Not that hard

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Anonymous OP 2d

What’s defined as “impeding”?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

Buddy what’s the point of a trial or having representation when you the second it’s figured out they have no papers, the trial is over.

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Anonymous #3 2d

I know you’ve seen videos of people fucking hitting them and trying to stand in their way when they caught somebody lmao. Or all standing in front of the van when they are trying to drive away

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Anonymous OP 2d

Because it’s usually not that simple buddy. There’s evidence presented and a determination is made about whether they have a credible fear of persecution if they return to their home country

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Anonymous OP 2d

That doesn’t answer my question

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Anonymous #3 2d

You can pretty much claim asylum for anything, you know that, right?

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Anonymous OP 2d

I’m well aware. That’s why we have a court for it :)

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Anonymous OP 2d

Ah yes, the American asylum system. Famous for its speed and efficiency

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Anonymous OP 2d

Yeah, that’s their right to stand in front of them and block their way. They haven’t identified themselves in any way

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Anonymous OP 2d

I started typing out a response but the question is just kinda silly, like wym what’s the point of a trial? We need to know that the person who supposedly committed a crime is actually that person and did actually commit that crime. If it’s obvious then it’ll be easy to prove in court

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

Also during Biden’s term they used to (and may still?) do rapid deportations from the border when people are caught in the act of crossing illegally. I don’t think those people get a trial but I think those scenarios make sense

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

Yeah they still do expedited removal

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

Nah fuck Biden. He’s just as complicit in all this. The reason people voted in Trump to deal with immigration is because it is, and always has been, about gleefully laughing at minorities being brutalized on camera. It’s that simple, we are dealing with monsters

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Anonymous #2 2d

I’m sorry but “just as complicit” is crazy. He never separated kids as a deterrent or sent people to El Salvador for no reason

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Anonymous #2 2d

I mean I’m not a fan of Biden but I wouldn’t say he’s equally complicit. I think some people are driven by the desire to humiliate and punish scapegoats but not everyone. Many people are rightly horrified by that and are doing everything they can to prevent that treatment.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

Maybe I didn’t fully get your point, do you mean that a majority of Americans want to “gleefully laugh at minorities being brutalized on camera” or that bidens admin did this as much as trumps does?

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Anonymous #3 2d

You’re right, he didn’t send people to El Salvador. What a standup guy that Biden must have been towards migrants

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

My point is that, for a lot of republicans, the open racism is the point and that’s why they prefer Trump even though Biden deported more migrants seeking asylum

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Anonymous #2 2d

When you equate anything to this atrocious administration you’re simply whitewashing it, and that’s shameful tbh

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Anonymous #2 2d

I’m not gonna say cruel treatment wasn’t happening under Biden but that was like the unintended consequence of bad policy, they absolutely weren’t proud of their cruelty like the trump admin is. Both bad fs but different in critical ways

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Anonymous #2 2d

Oh yeah I’d agree, the open racism is a huge draw for them. That’s why I think it’s quite different from the Biden admin tho

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Anonymous #3 2d

Buddy, Tom Homan was literally an Obama appointee. The democrats are also anti immigration

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Anonymous #2 2d

Did Obama celebrate on Twitter every time someone was deported? Defy court orders to return someone from El Salvador? Make a deal with a corrupt president backed by a drug cartel to extraordinarily render immigrants abroad? Vindictively prosecute them once they were reluctantly brought back?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

But they were proud of it. They openly bragged about deporting more people than Trump. Democrats legitimized all the xenophobia coming from republicans when Biden entered office by trying to “out deport” the other. It’s a game to them

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Anonymous #2 2d

Yeah, I never saw that tbh. They even tried to lift Title 42 and the courts wouldn’t let them

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Anonymous #3 2d

No because during Obama’s term there was not this insane level of racism around the border. Under Biden, it was legitimized by democrats

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Anonymous #2 2d

So did Biden do any of that then?

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Anonymous #2 2d

I think that has a lot more to do with democrats desire to win over moderates. Their polls show that people care about immigration and are bothered by illegal immigration so they wanna brag about how they can enforce border laws too. I think they actually tried to separate their deportation efforts from xenophobic rhetoric as much as they could

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

They weren’t out here saying that immigrants are the poison in the blood of our country or all rapists or bad for crime, they just said that they wanted to deport people who broke the law. Still really bad policy in my opinion but totally different from our current moment

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Anonymous #3 2d

I think you’re missing the forest for the trees. My point is that we would not be at this point if not for the fact that democrats legitimized the border as a threat despite it being objectively not true. We didn’t just go from 0 to 100 when Trump entered office this year. This has been a rise in temperature with both parties on the controls because dems are complicit in this

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

Sure as fuck weren’t picking people up at their naturalization appointments or deporting US citizens with cancer. I can’t believe we’re even having this discussion. They weren’t similar at all

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

But people were bothered by it because it was legitimized as an issue, and dems are at fault for that. The border wall used to be a fucking joke it was that much of a non issue

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Anonymous #3 2d

But we wouldn’t be at this point if dems had turned down the temperature. Thats what I’m trying to say. Yes, dems weren’t doing that, but they weren’t exactly trying to combat against immigration panic in Biden’s administration

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Anonymous #3 2d

Yeah pretty damn different in my opinion. I can see the argument that focusing on numbers helped legitimize the idea that more deportations are somehow better for the country but the democrats are just ineffectual people (moderate) pleasers most of the time, the vast majority of the harm here is from trump

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Anonymous #2 2d

Like I don’t see how I’m not making sense, I’m really trying to be as clear as possible here. My point is that Dems did nothing to stop the rise in xenophobic panic across the country, and because of that, they are responsible for it getting to be this bad

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

The way he’s making immigrants (legal or otherwise) afraid to show their faces in their own communities makes me sick. Works for people of color in general honestly, he’s trying to scare them into staying out of sight bc of the legitimate fear that some ice thug is gonna beat them up or arrest them for not having papers

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Anonymous #2 2d

Like ok, imagine Biden got into office and said “this is a nation of immigrants, and hyperfocusing on random acts of violence from people who just happen to be migrants doesn’t solve anything. What we need is an overhaul of our immigration system and social safety networks strengthened to help support new Americans in this country” Instantly better. Turns down the temperature, doesn’t give credibility to Trumps claims, and also legitimately improves the situation. But he didn’t do that

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Anonymous #2 2d

ah ok I do see what you’re saying. Ik it sounds like I’m making a lot of excuses for the Democratic Party but I think there are valid reasons they acted that way, not that I personally agree with them. They saw that immigration was a big issue with voters and getting bigger, and saw that ignoring it would lose them an election. So they chose to act tough on it as if it were an important issue cause they thought that’s how they’d be able to make positive change once in office

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

THANK YOU THATS BASICALLY WHAT I WAS SAYING THE WHOLE TIME 😭

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

It’s a very similar bet to what they did in the last election where they tried very hard to silence the anti genocide coalition, they chose easy marketing over real issues and policy. I think it hurt them in both situations. It’s hard to say what the solution is though, it’s just easier to make catchy adds with misinformation than it is to advertise nuanced policy.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

If they wanted to actually address the immigration issue they’d have to convince their base that illegal imitation is a non issue. While that is factually true it is much harder to market that than it is to say “illegal immigration is out of control” or “look we’re gonna do something about illegal immigration but be humane about it”

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

Well in that case the dems were just plainly supporting the genocide because most of them are bought out by AIPAC, but yeah same general idea

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

I think this is one of the biggest issues that continues to doom the Democratic Party honestly, especially in the age of social media

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Anonymous #2 2d

I’d say just short of plainly supporting it, they did a little bit of lip service about Israel “defending themselves responsibly” or some garbage like the but yeah not too different from the maga message

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

Yeah a better example would probably be how dems capitulated on the whole “dem big cities are roaming with gangs” type of republican messaging, even though red states tend to have higher crime Israel is one of those issues where both parties are just happy to support it. If you look at how republicans and democrats responded to the anti genocide protests, the rhetoric is basically identical. The only exceptions were progressives

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Anonymous #2 2d

Yeah always wild how many people I speak to who say that we have a gang problem. I mean Charlie Kirk famously started to repeat the same garbage right before he was assassinated. Don’t wanna address the causes of gun violence tho 😅

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2d

Yeah I’d agree on that, it’s really close. Democrats speak out against it more often but their actions are almost identical. When all that was going on I was just baffled that even saying “we support Israel but will withhold weapons if they commit war crimes” would apparently hurt the Democratic Party by losing moderates. I still don’t see how a statement like that could turn off anyone but the most rabidly pro Israel people

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