Anonymous #1 15h

why are we acting like Russia is the victim tf?? Are we just going to pretend like the annexation of crimea never happened?

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Anonymous #2 15h

I didn’t say Russia is the victim I dont like it either😭. I’m saying going to war for countries that couldn’t give a shit about you is the dumbest thing ever because both sides are wrong. And I’m not saying they didn’t attack Ukraine first, I’m talking about NATO

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Anonymous #1 15h

NATO is literally just an organization that serves US interests, and they attacked Russia through Ukraine first. They are the ones orchestrating the proxy war currently going on.

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Anonymous #1 15h

How tf did they attack Russia first?

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Anonymous #3 14h

Through a proxy war using Ukraine, so controlling Ukraine and supplying it with weapons to fight Russia. Although Russia tried to expand first, and Ukraine has its right to fight back, NATO involved itself against Russia first, to serve their interests

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Anonymous #1 14h

Boy would I love to know what corner of the world you’re sending this from lmao

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Anonymous #3 14h

‘Yeah Ukraine started the war by … having weapons and being a nato member. Of course Russia had to invade a sovereign nation in response. Also Russia is a democracy with completely fair elections! Glory!’

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Anonymous #3 14h

I’m not Russian if that’s what you’re trying to say. And it’s a fact that NATO is the one behind Ukraine. I’m not defending russia either I’m saying it’s hypocritical to say you support NATO but hate Russia when they have done the same things

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Anonymous #3 14h

Ukraine is not a NATO member, it’s allied with it. NATO basically rejected Ukraine but decided to back them when Russia decided to expand its borders, not to save Ukraine or smth but because it’s against their interests. And I don’t care for Russia’s democracy, I don’t even like the current Russia government. I just don’t like NATO either because it’s also an imperialist tool. They are BOTH evil

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Anonymous #1 14h

Ur certainly right about Ukraine just being an ally country, def misspoke there so that’s my b. I’m just confused how you’ve managed to do the rhetorical acrobatics required to label Ukraine or nato as the aggressors here simply for having alliances of Ukraine having weapons. Russia is the country who started conflicts in 2014 and 2022 with the goal of taking land by force, yes? If you can’t acknowledge that reality then idk what there is to talk abt

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Anonymous #1 14h

What same things have they done? I’m not a fan of American imperialism or nato American imperialism by proxy but they’re quite different from the Russian aggression we’ve seen in Ukraine

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Anonymous #1 14h

not supporting the exploitative conditions that troops go through is one thing (and is absolutely valid), but you’re straight up bullshitting lmao. NATO did not attack first, while the Ukraine-Russia war is def able to be viewed as a proxy war for larger interests, that does not discredit the actual start of the war, being Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea back in 2014. Russia was indeed the initial aggressor in this war, not Ukraine (in which you redirect responsibility to NATO)

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Anonymous #2 14h

that’s why I asked if we’re just going to pretend as if the annexation of Crimea never happened, because that’s exactly what it seems like is happening right now.

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Anonymous #2 13h

I never said Ukraine started the war, I said NATO attacked Russia first, in response to the OP. Russia attacked Ukraine first, then Ukraine fought back right, but between Russia and NATO, NATO attacked Russia first through Ukraine. And Ukraine is not a member of NATO. Which is why I said NATO isn’t a victim here.

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Anonymous #3 13h

Both sides have targeted and killed civilians, and both sides are imperialist. They are both world powers trying to gain more power at the expense of normal people’s lives. Also, Russian aggression against Ukraine is not Russian aggression against NATO. But NATO has involved itself in hope of weakening Russia and its influence, which is why I said it’s not the victim here and rather they entered into a conflict against Russia first.

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Anonymous #3 1h

yeah this is literally just Russian propaganda. you recall the disinformation bots, right? Russia has been claiming NATO attacked them since they invaded

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