Anonymous #1 2w

what revolutionary politics should he be doing that he isnt

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Anonymous #3 2w

Correct. Leftism works outside the current system, while also meeting people where they're at to educate them. Meaningful change never comes from within the system, it always comes through violence or the threat of violence

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 2w

fascinating. intentionally marginalizing yourselves out of politics and being proud of being irrelevant and ineffective. so strange

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Anonymous #3 2w

We live in a capitalist society. Leftism starts at anti-capitalism. I don't speak for all leftists but we all pretty much agree that we can't vote our way out of the current system, at least at the federal level. But there is only so much you can do at the local level, too.

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Anonymous #3 2w

Revolution is not irrelevant or ineffective btw 🙂‍↔️

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Anonymous #1 2w

Is there something you have in mind when you say "at one point"? Was he not always just a democrat?

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 2w

leftists could do wayyyyyy more for their cause if they actually took electoral politics seriously

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Anonymous #3 2w

You cannot vote your way out of fascism my dude. It has quite literally never happened in the history of the world. If you're happy with living under fascism as we have for the last ~century, good for you. The rest of us are not.

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 2w

No.

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 2w

yeah thats simply not what fascism is man

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Anonymous #3 2w

We live in a fascist country. If you don't agree that's fine. The rest of the world agrees with me.

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 2w

yeah not even close dawg, not by any definition

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Anonymous #3 2w

You must be a Republican if you don't think we are governed by a far right, ultranationalist administration characterized by "militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, and subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race" but ok

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Oppression definitionally comes from those in positions of power. People in positions of power aren’t the ones cheering on this assassination attempt.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Go on…

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 2w

When I think of just a Democrat, I think of, at best, a progressive neoliberal. His policies now are more than just progressive neolib. It’s normal DemSoc shit but I’d say thats closer to Socialism than Neoliberalism. He’s not “one of us” but he’s closer to us than he is to being a run of the mill democrat.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Absolutely. You could argue he's more progressive than Bernie sanders. But as saddening as it is, he is still pro-capitalism

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Regardless, in the context of Fascism, this is done by the government and ruling class.

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 2w

it’s more than just a country tho, we are an expansionist corporate circlejerk settler colony with terrible labor rights so bad that european countries rife with nazis look progressive. that has infiltrated and destroyed left wing militant groups, and dropped its mask after the cold war

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Anonymous #1 2w

they were never revolutionary to begin with bc everyone knows reformism is not revolutionary tbh not saying the ballot can’t be meaningful but everything is relational in the sense that sizable swaths of reformists malign “leftists” as reactionary just because they observe that reformists view the ballot is the primary vehicle of change which is anti-materialist and ahistorical on all levels, as class struggle is the only historically and materially grounded motor that advances engine forwar

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what are your thoughts on herschel grynszpan? nat turner? john brown? not sure what ur point is #4

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 2w

So are we just pretending the South China Sea doesn’t exist?

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Anonymous #8 2w

You wanna point to a specific example of an area they've invaded or something in the last couple decades or

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Anonymous #11 2w

But he’s also just a decent human being who wants to do right by all his people. As much as I despise the right, this is the type of person we need in power. Someone who can actually reunite us as people and maybe find some common ground eventually. Most people loved Obama for the same reason. He was respectful to those who didnt respect him. We don’t have to be so far apart as parties, we just need someone who is respectful to both so we can actually make fucking changes that need to happen

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 2w

Yeah, they’re building islands and military bases in the South China Sea to claim it as their own.

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Anonymous #8 2w

Ok. Not quite what I was referring to. I meant violent or oppressive militarism. There is no one living in the sea. They haven't been at war with anyone is what I meant.

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 2w

I’d argue taking over other countries territorial waters is pretty violent. Many of the new islands are military bases, they’re using force to take over the region.

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