Anonymous #1 4w

This might be you buddy

10

Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

“Refused to vote for Kamala” maybe she refused to campaign for what people wanted?

10

Anonymous #5 4w

Given everything that has happened and everything we knew was going to happen with Trump. I think it’s very privileged to have not voted for Kamala or atleast not be able to reflect back and acknowledge it was a mistake/not the smartest thing to do strategy wise.

1

Anonymous OP 4w

Given that that’s not how democracy works, I’m going to have to disagree. You can’t just go “we’re the good guys, they’re the bad guys, now vote for us” and expect to win. The Harris campaign had a billion dollar war chest and still managed to throw the election.

1

Anonymous #5 4w

I’m not saying that’s how democracy works. But what I am saying is someone has to win. And if you’re okay with not giving anyone your vote who has a viable path to winning, then that is a privileged space to be in. So to me, if you actively did not vote for Kamala/encouraged others not to vote for Kamala. You having issues or concerns about what Trump is doing is stupid. Especially if even from a strategic standpoint you cant look back and say it was a bad game plan not to vote for Kamala.

1

Anonymous OP 4w

I think it would have been a better plan to choose a halfway decent candidate and not throw at every opportunity but I’m not a democratic party insider so they wouldn’t listen to me. Trying to be diet republicans will never work. Honestly though, I think the largest share of the blame here lies with Joe Biden. That spiteful old fuck just hung on with all of his geriatric strength and didn’t renounce his candidacy until far too late (and even then, there was still time for a primary).

1

Anonymous #5 4w

Them blame cannot be on the voters because, again, that’s not how democracy works. It’s the job of politicians to appeal to voters, not of voters to elect politicians.

1

Anonymous #5 4w

You are talking about a perfect scenario we didn’t have. Was I the biggest fan of Kamala? Hell no. Did I vote for her? Yes I did. I was in a position where Trumps ideas and stances were detrimental to me and my beliefs. So I couldn’t risk him winning. If you chose (As a leftist) not to vote for Kamala then you were in a privileged position because obviously Trumps plan and agenda did not worry you. Everything he said he was going to do, he is doing.

1

Anonymous OP 4w

I’m not talking about a perfect scenario, I’m talking about a reasonable one. I’m suggesting that a political party do their job and try to appeal to voters instead of just going “vote for us or you want trump to win”. Offer policies, don’t just vaguely point the finger.

1

Anonymous #5 4w

Ok, reasonable, perfect, same thing. What I am saying is that to have abstained from voting was a privileged decision. Im not saying you are bad, evil, good, etc. what im saying is you had the information you needed on Trump, and that information was not detrimental enough to you to make you say “I need to ensure he doesn’t win”. Its that simple. Kamala wasn’t perfect, Kamala wasn’t my first choice, however, Kamala was vastly different from Trump and to say otherwise is dishonest.

1

Anonymous OP 4w

Even if I had voted for trump, it would have made no difference whatsoever. I voted in California, where it could not matter less. Trump won every swing state. The level of popular sentiment against both candidates was high, but the dems’ strategy of doing nothing and moving to the right is what got us into this mess, not the voters somehow failing.

1

Anonymous #5 4w

I think it is fair to say Kamala was weak on some key issues. I do think it is interesting to say that the entire campaign was weak when every swing state was close and Trump won the popular vote by 49% to Kamala’s 48%. Last election was one of the highest for voter turnout. Kamala did not get blown out the water and I personally do believe that her downfall was her stance on Gaza which led to many people choosing to vote against/abstain. Was that a smart strategy? Obviously I think not.

1

Anonymous OP 4w

This a wild take

1