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If sexual identity and gender are something you’re born with, why do identical twins sometimes have different ones?
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Anonymous 21w

It’s not, sexuality is complicated. We know genetics, pregnancy, neonatal conditions, early childhood, and the culture you grow up in are a factor in developing sexuality.

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Anonymous 21w

I don’t think you’re born with gender. It refers to how you socially represent yourself along the male/female spectrum.

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Anonymous 21w

The idea that it’s an “inborn” trait is an oversimplification and, IMO, an unhelpful one. What sexual identity and gender are is *immutable characteristics* which just means they aren’t subject to volitional development or change (be that by the subject themself or a third party acting upon them).

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Anonymous 21w

I’m pretty sure identical twins always start off the same sex

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Anonymous replying to -> amethyst_headphone51 21w

Why can’t I change my gender?

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 21w

Like your internal sense of gender? Hell if I know but that’s what the evidence bears out; conversion therapies don’t work and the only case study I’ve seen of someone trying to impose a gender on someone other than what they were assigned at birth from infancy was disastrous. In terms of gender like the group(s) you occupy in society you absolutely can (that’s what I’m doing lmao)

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 21w

It’s my belief (based on practically no evidence) that you cannot will yourself to be less gay or be cis or whatever, BUT I think over time your sexuality can change, not based on conversion therapy, but just naturally. Like maybe you genuinely did like men at some point but now you don’t? Or v.va.

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Anonymous replying to -> amethyst_headphone51 21w

I’m pretty sure I’m just getting confused with the semantics here. From what I’m aware if gender is the social aspect of sex which, since it’s social, is thus changeable. Your use of “immutable” to describe gender just confused me

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 21w

And it’s trivially true that your label of your own sexuality can change. Like maybe you called yourself gay but now you call yourself bi. That doesn’t mean your gay was *wrong*, it’s just a different way to describe yourself I guess. Labels are complicated and reductive to a certain extent. 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 21w

Yeah there’s a TON of at least credible anecdotal evidence for this out there That’s part of why I’m usually careful to clarify that “immutable” in this context means not voluntarily changing, rather than absolutely unchanging.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 21w

I think we’re conflating two related concepts. There’s gender in the sense of social groupings of people, which is related to but distinct from an internal experience/identification with socially-gendered traits and groupings. That internal experience is immutable in the sense I talked about, you can’t alter it by your own or anyone else’s actions. But the external/social reality is absolutely more changeable and even a cis person could theoretically do so.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 21w

Why’d I get downvoted, short of having some kind of developmental defect identical twins come from one fertilized egg and are genetically identical, and therefore would be born with the same sex

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 21w

You got downvoted because that’s got nothing remotely to do with this post, dude.

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Anonymous replying to -> amethyst_headphone51 21w

“Why do identical twins sometimes have different ones”

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 21w

“Ones” in this case referring to sexual identities and genders. Neither of which is the same as sex at birth.

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