Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

I like the question tho, such an interesting topic

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

It’s going to happen at some point, in my opinion. Just not sure when, where, how, and why.

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Anonymous #2 3w

It’s not just really hard, it’s impossible. Space messes the human body up pretty badly and there’s little that can actually be done for that because we didn’t evolve to live anywhere but earth. I don’t think we’ll truly do anything other than take trips up there because of that. Even if the tech catches up, most people won’t want to take the risks.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Impossible? I mean we didn’t evolve to fly either but here we are catching flights. I get that it’s very very challenging but we have people working on all these issues and people who have lived in space for a year +. Plus radiation shielding /resource gathering is much easier to accomplish on a planet than on a space station.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

Sitting in an airplane isn’t the same as sprouting wings and flying out of necessity, we didn’t evolve to fly. Bad argument imo. You should see the health of the people who’ve lived in space for a year plus. It’s a range from mild to wild. Our bodies genuinely cannot take it for short periods and we’re talking about raising generations in space? Please lol.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

I think it’s fun to think about but it’s just sci-fi fantasy to me. We’re never going to have colonies in space. The only way that’ll happen is if they force people up there to do slave labor until it kills them. We can’t even get people to live in West Virginia because they worry about the old mines and how little there is to do in general. You think people are gonna be cool with signing off on the laundry list of health issues that may occur AND have nothing to do on a desolate planet? Idk man

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Anonymous #3 3w

We also couldn’t treat most diseases very well a hundred years ago.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Well yeah that’s my point, in leu of sprouting wings we designed aircraft and made them able to support human life in places where humans aren’t designed to go. Same with the North Pole or the deep sea. Sounds cheesy but this is just the next frontier, no reason to think we can’t overcome the challenges of living in space like we’ve overcome other technological challenges in the past.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

Building a plane is a bit easier than completely destroying a planet in order to make it (possibly) suitable for human life. I hope you understand that haha.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

And yeah my other point was exactly what OP said, there are a lot of things that are curable now that would’ve been death sentences 100 years ago. Why is it so hard to imagine that we’ll be somewhere very different 100 years from now?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

Difficult absolutely, I just think impossible is the wrong word. Also nobody wants to go to Virginia for many reasons Lmao, people would absolutely risk their lives to explore another planet.

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Anonymous #3 3w

This is the first you’ve brought up the idea of terraforming lol, that was not the technology I was speaking about. I’d hoped it was clear that my comparison to aircraft was meant to convey that we can build spacecraft and habitats that can support human life. Even the most optimistic people studying terraforming don’t imagine that we’ll be able to accomplish such a thing on practical time scales

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

YOU would risk your life to explore another planet, but I promise you most people want to stay on earth if we can.

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Anonymous #3 3w

You only need a few people out of 340 million Americans.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Dude I guarantee you that if Elon musk posted a signup sheet today for people to ride his ratchet starship to mars that he’d have to turn people away. I understand that many wouldn’t go but you really think there wouldn’t be scores of people out of all of humanity that would stop at almost nothing to explore the stars?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

What if we just, ya know, spent money on our planet instead of trying to make some billionaire’s Star Wars fantasy come true? It’s so difficult I am confident in calling it impossible. We will never live there. We literally cannot do it.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

If a couple million go that still leaves about 8 billion people on earth so, yeah, I’m confident that you’re the weird for wanting to leave the planet lol.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

I really do think that. I think people this obsessed with space exploration and living on mars are strange and a very small minority. Most of us are fine just looking up from the ground on the planet we evolved to live on.

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Anonymous #3 3w

It is your opinion that it’s impossible and I certainly respect it even though I personally disagree. However that’s why I was intentional in my first comment to say that while this should be perused and worked on, it shouldn’t take precedent over the concerns of people and other animals alive now or in the near future.

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Anonymous #3 3w

I don’t think it has to be a “you’re weird for this” type thing lmao. Some people will want to go and others will want to stay, that’s just people having different goals and values

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

I think it gets weird when people are excited about living in space. That’s always been a dystopian thought but for some reason in recent years it’s become a thing some people want for humanity. It’s odd to me, man. I want us to stay on earth and thrive, not go to space and die off from lack of resources and the impacts it has on our health.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

And as much talk that I hear about how we’ll fix these issues, we haven’t yet and it’s been 60 years at this point. People still feel really negative effects from going to space for an extended period of time. At some point we may have to reckon with the fact there’s no way to make it work for us long term.

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Anonymous #3 3w

I do understand where you’re coming from there, the idea of a wall-e type future where we’re limping along in space because we’ve destroyed earth is rightly terrifying. However it doesn’t have to look like that, we could have a future where earth is healthier than it is now and we also have people exploring the cosmos. Maybe it’s just bc I’m a slut for anything sci-fi related but the idea of exploration is so exciting to me. I’d do almost anything to go to space for a while

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

Although personally I wouldn’t be able to live there forever. Some certainly would though and if that’s their desire I see nothing wrong with it as long as it doesn’t come at the expense of people living their lives here on earth

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

No one would be able to live there forever unless they want an early death lol. That’s the issue with it, g.

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Anonymous #3 3w

See I just don’t think that type of technological pessimism is actually that realistic. Do you believe that scientific advancement will just level out at some point and well stop learning and advancing? 60 years isn’t that long to figure out space travel

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

The fact that we’re talking about going to space while the people who are leading the charge are the ones actively fucking over the planet as we speak (as well as using slave labor) doesn’t exactly fill me with excitement about the “new frontier.” It makes me think we’ve already fucked up too bad and they’re preparing to ditch us with their mess.

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Anonymous #3 3w

I strongly disagree. I think it’s a bit much to assume that you can say for certain that we’ll never be able to figure out how to live long lives in space. You’d have to actually know quite a bit more than we do now to be so certain

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

It seems it has already leveled out for living in space as we’ve been trying for decades now and it never ends any better than it did the time before as far as health impacts on those who visit.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

I can say for certain we cannot live in space for a long time. This is not star wars.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

I can be certain by literally looking up in the sky at night. We are never living there happily or healthily and we shouldn’t even strive for it. We have a home we should take care of.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

Like until I can see solid proof that the human body can endure space at all, I’m not changing my mind. We’ve tried new technologies, different approaches, but the result is the same and has continued to be and doesn’t seem to be in sight of changing. It’s great that there’s these ideas about how we’ll do it, they have to start actually working though lol.

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Anonymous #3 3w

I really don’t think you can. Or I think (and no personal offense here) it’s not wise to make such a claim. Imagine talking to someone from 1725 and asking if they think it’s possible to go to space. If they said “absolutely not, it’s impossible” wouldn’t you want to know their reasoning? How can they be so sure that humans in the future won’t know more than they do?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

I’ll be the first one to criticize Elon and how he’s going about this, I think he’s an abhorrent person with foolish goals. That being said he does not represent all space travel any more than Columbus represents all exploration. Human greed is everywhere and we need to work to mitigate it, but that doesn’t mean we can’t or shouldn’t still explore.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

Humans will not evolve to stand the conditions of space. No amount of accommodation in these stations will ever make up for that. Our bodies cannot take it and you’re wishing for illness on yourself and others for wanting this so badly lol.

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Anonymous #3 3w

So just to be clear, you are saying with 100% certainty that the technological challenges keeping us from living in space will never be resolved for all of time. You know this to be a fact, is that right?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

There’s no resolution to not being built to live your life on the wrong planet. No, I don’t think it’ll ever be resolved. If they can mitigate the increased risk of cancer, bone and muscle loss, blindness, etc., then the depression of being completely out of place, hurdling through unfamiliar nothingness will get to us worse.

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Anonymous #3 3w

I mean genetic engineering is a thing you very much could likely modify humans to survive better in space with sufficient technological acumen. But the ethical implications of that are kinda fucked so I don’t know that we would try to do that outside of dire circumstances.

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Anonymous #2 3w

Hey! Yeah! Fuck that! Let’s just stay on earth instead maybe!?

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Anonymous #2 3w

How do y’all have these ideas and not realize how fucking dystopian this all is? Lmao

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Anonymous #3 3w

I’m just pointing out it’s possible I’m not saying it’s a good idea or that an ethical society would try to pursue it. Genetically engineering someone so they have no choice but to live in space is definitely fucked but it’s not impossible.

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Anonymous #3 3w

To each their own then I suppose! I think your vision of the future is almost exactly the same vision as a person from 1725 who believes space travel to be impossible simply because they haven’t seen it and can’t imagine it. I’m just not confident enough to be so certain about something so distant and unknowable.

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Anonymous #2 3w

I think the fact that that may be an option to get us into space speaks volumes to why we should probably just leave it the fuck alone. I have no doubt some of the big wigs in trying to move us to mars would do that to people just so they can say we “lived in space.”

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

I think it goes beyond just the possibility for me. Even if we can one day, which I truly have no faith we will luckily, why the fuck should we unless earth is uninhabitable? Like the point I made in my last response to you, hurdling through an unfamiliar nothingness while being kept alive and held together by simulated gravity and rations of food is a depressing future. It wouldn’t be Futurama, it would suck fucking dick. Humans aren’t meant to survive, we’re meant to live.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Why would you leave your house if you are comfy and can get food delivered? You’re assuming that A. This future will be terrible if it exists (why does it have to be?) and that B. Everyone is like you and has no interest in exploring the universe. Humans took to sailboats facing almost certain death to see new parts of the world. Some humans always have been and always will be explorers

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

Yeah and those people lived awful lives on those sailboats too, my man! You should read about it. I don’t see how having simulated gravity, rations of food, no grass or or trees or oceans or mountains that feel familiar to you for the rest of your life is a way to live. It’s could be a way to survive, sure, but it’s no way to live. It’s miserable.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

And I assume it’ll be terrible because you don’t make it sound like it’ll be any good, bro. Maybe work on the propaganda lol, but living in cramped quarters on bs rations with fake gravity sounds like hell. I didn’t make that up out of nowhere, that’s how y’all describe this shit lol.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Why would you assume I haven’t read about it? Shackleton suffered on all his voyages, why do you think he kept getting back on the boat?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

Your entire argument here seems to be “I don’t see a point and I wouldn’t enjoy it”. That’s fine but you don’t represent humanity

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

Look, be my guest if you wanna go live in dystopia willingly. I just don’t think y’all do a great job of making it sound appealing and it’s literally a fantasy, which makes that even crazier. You could make it sound like Disneyland in space considering it’ll never happen but instead it sounds like prison lol. Not even doing fiction well.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

I think I do represent humanity in that most of us don’t want to willingly go to prison, as y’all describe it, just to see some stars and planets. Most of us are okay here and can see the stars from the ground.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Dude I’m sorry but at this point it feels like I’m doing more interpretation of your personal idea of the future/personal lifestyle choices than we are talking about the idea in general and I don’t see much point in that. You don’t believe we’ll ever be space bound and if we are you think it’ll suck and you want no part in it. So be it!

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

You just don’t want to engage with the idea that it sounds miserable from everything you’ve said. You want to “live in space,” correct?

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Anonymous #3 3w

I see no point in engaging with the idea of “I know we’ll never live in space but if we do I know it’ll suck. Do you want to do something that sucks?” Like I disagree with so much of the premise that it doesn’t really make sense to talk about the question. I do want to travel to space and spend some limited amount of time there if I ever get the chance, yes. Although I know that’s something many people, yourself included, would never do. Which is fine, people have very different motivations

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Anonymous #3 3w

I agree partly with 3 in that I think space would be very unpleasant for most people and that’s part of the reason it’s unlikely to be settled large scale. However I do think shifts in motivations or technological prowess could change that. Either by lowering the unpleasantness of being in space or by an increase in push factors from earth that could cause more space exploration. I personally lean towards us probably staying more on earth with some scientific outposts though.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

You’ll never get to go and you should be thankful. You’d hate it like most normal people would lol.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Honestly thats a bit of a strange assertion, I don’t claim to know what you would like or dislike simply because I know how I feel about it. You don’t hear many astronauts coming home and saying how much they hated it. I’m very confident I’d enjoy it like they do!

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

And I gotta study for finals or I’ll have even less of a shot of ever going to space lmao. Thanks for the conversation tho!

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

You do hear of them coming back blind and shit though. Good thing we’ll fix that so people can live on rations!

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