Anonymous #1 3w

And none of that will do anything but sure

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Anonymous OP 3w

I mean I pretty much pointed out that one of them will literally expose everything this admin does

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Anonymous #1 3w

And that did so much during Trump 1.0 right?

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Anonymous OP 3w

Of course. It brought national attention to the child separation practices, pressuring the IG to more regularly inspect the detention facilities to make sure they were operating according to standards. It led the way for the first impeachment of Trump for the Ukraine call. The findings from the drug pricing hearings paved the way for a lot of improvements to Medicare made in the Inflation Reduction Act

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Anonymous #1 3w

Hearings force someone to come in to actually answer for this administration. We don’t have that right now

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Anonymous OP 3w

Our federal government isn’t a fast moving thing and conservatives have inherent advantages bc of things like the senate. Having the house would 1. Show that Trump doesn’t have this popular mandate to do unlimited insane shit. 2. Make his crimes more obvious to the public (there’s more now than in his first term) 3. Now things like impeachment will have less obstacles if public support swings more. The doomerism is so lame.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Idk why we would be demotivating people to vote against his shit in general. This entire convo is counter productive.

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Anonymous OP 3w

He’ll also have zero chance of passing another bbb.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Children still continue to be separated, both impeachments did nothing. And the IRA was decent but only ten drugs got any price relief. And there ARE hearings going on of admin officials right now, which also…. do nothing

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Anonymous OP 3w

They do nothing because we’re not running the show. Have you watched the hearings? For the most part they’re a joke. Republicans keep letting witnesses give non-responses to Dems so their time runs out

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

It’s not doomerism it’s being realistic. 1. Trumps approval is in the toilet like it’s always been 2. We know he’s a criminal dozens of times over 3. Impeachment isn’t going anywhere in the senate and the current Dem party doesn’t even have a desire for a third one anyway.

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Anonymous OP 3w

That wasn’t the only element of pharma regulation in the IRA. If you aren’t familiar with this stuff, just say so

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

The BBB was a reconciliation bill. those will still need R votes which means they’ll still get some of their asks through a blue house. And they’ll even get buy in from a ton of moderate Dems anyway

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Anonymous OP 3w

Only some asks. It would be watered down significantly. None of this absurd funding for ICE, insane tax cuts, etc

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Yes the federal government moves slowly which is why it’s important to temper expectations. Everything isn’t going to be hunky dory when the Dems retake the house, and if people think it will be there will be even more backlash against the party for being ineffective and not getting things done. It’s politics

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Anonymous #1 3w

Oh the republicans are just gonna start being honest and giving straight answers because Dems are in charge?

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Anonymous #1 3w

The IRA did some fine stuff, but it wasn’t because of subpoenas and hearings during Trump 1.0

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Anonymous OP 3w

They’re under oath and can be held in contempt of Congress lol

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Anonymous OP 3w

That’s simply false. The findings from those hearings went into a report of recommendations which was used as a framework for the IRA

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Anonymous OP 3w

No one said it was going to be hunky dory. *you* said it wouldn’t change *anything*

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Anonymous OP 3w

Why don’t you deal with that after the election lol, instead of doom posting about what right now seems will be a big win for us? There’s a difference between pointing out the intuitional limitations and saying it “won’t change shit”. I rather hype people tf up then have the intuitional convo after when we have positive shit to point to.

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Anonymous OP 3w

The most important thing is signaling to republicans that there’s electoral consequences to being on the maga train.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Contempt of Congress will get stymied by the DOJ, see Mark Meadows

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Anonymous #1 3w

Recommendations that the Trump administration won’t use. I said it won’t change things for the Trump administration, which is still 100% true

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

They already know there are consequences. The ones in swing districts are retiring like flies, the rest are in heavily safe R districts where there are no consequences

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Anonymous OP 3w

Bc the only thing worse than people being ass mad about the institutional limitations is them being ass mad about the institutional with no house and another election flop.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

It won’t change shit *for the Trump administration* he’s just gonna keep doing what he’s been doing until 2029

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Anonymous OP 3w

True but you have to hype people tf up to increase the consequences. It’s all about motivating your people doom posting doesn’t help.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Motivating people by telling them things will change if you elect Dems and then having nothing change for two years is demotivating for 2028 and a losing strategy for Dems

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Anonymous OP 3w

Sure then let him look worse so his followers are even more demotivated by 2028.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Not criminal contempt. Inherent contempt. The DOJ is not involved in the latter

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

I don’t think you can make Trump look worse to his base. They cheer on everything he does. But enjoy your blue wave

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Anonymous #1 3w

Oh. Inherent contempt. You mean that thing that hasn’t been used since the Great Depression?

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Anonymous OP 3w

I’ll wait for you to come up with a legitimate response

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Anonymous OP 3w

Idk if people are that stupid that they don’t understand winning the house doesn’t destroy Trump, then fuck it move to Canada stop giving a fuck about America. I’m against the idea of treating people like they’re idiots.

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Anonymous OP 3w

And for the record, they literally tried it against Merrick Garland less than 2 years ago

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Anonymous #1 3w

If you really think this Dem party is going to use inherent contempt in the modern day I have a bridge to sell you

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Mfs apparently just keep wanting OBBBAs to be passed 😭

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Trumps base is full of racist sexist deplorable idiots sorry not sorry

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Anonymous #1 3w

That was criminal contempt which was once again stopped by the DOJ

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Anonymous OP 3w

That’s not the goal though it’s demotivating the people on the edge of his base and motivating your own.

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Anonymous OP 3w

So what’s your argument? You think the Dems aren’t going to use inherent contempt. What do you plan to do about this theory that they won’t use it?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Another OBBBA would still have to get past a dem filibuster in the senate…. Just like the last one did

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Anonymous OP 3w

I never said they weren’t idk what that has to do with anything. I’m talking about Americans in general. Especially dems which our base is pretty educated.

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Anonymous OP 3w

No. It didn’t pass a vote in the house. Where are you getting your information from?

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Anonymous OP 3w

Girl what. The OBBBA vote was 50-50. It’s not possible to filibuster the budget resolution

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

And I’m saying setting the expectation that Dems taking back the house will somehow stop Trump and then having that not come true is MOTIVATING to republicans and DEMOTIVATING to Dems. Not a good recipe for 2028

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Anonymous #1 3w

Sorry filibuster was the wrong word. But it still passed despite democratic opposition and the democrats aren’t retaking the senate anyway

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Anonymous OP 3w

And it passed the house. Because the house had a Republican majority. I’m not sure how to explain this to you.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I just don’t understand the logic that we have to tell people voting doesn’t matter bc they’re too stupid to understand the institution they’re voting for. If that’s true I think we’re inherently cooked there’s no point.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Bingo

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Anonymous #1 3w

Thanks for the high school civics lesson this was fun

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Anonymous OP 3w

I feel like this is just internet politics showing through.Just bc internet people (who probably never vote anyway) are mad at dems doesn’t mean voters can’t understand what the house does.

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Anonymous OP 3w

So this was bait? Or you genuinely don’t understand how laws are passed and still defend your arguments as though you do?

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Anonymous OP 3w

Ok then like I said don’t talk about American politics then. idk doom post with an AI or something apparently that’s equally productive in your view.

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Anonymous #1 3w

My argument that Dems retaking the house will not stop Trump is still valid. Our institutions are failing and there is no safety net to stop authoritarians written into our constitution.

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Anonymous OP 3w

That’s how you make institutions work is you believe in them. That’s how all governments work people need to believe in them. You’re just doing Trump propaganda.

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Anonymous OP 3w

So what do you propose to do about it then?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Idk I thought you were the one with the incredible superior intellect

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Anonymous OP 3w

You could’ve stopped at “idk” lmao. But you’re right anyway :)

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Anonymous #1 3w

Well I hope you enjoy libbing out in November and watching the Dems continue to play their same losing playbook against fascism

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Anonymous OP 3w

Same to you, hope you enjoy doing nothing and complaining!

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Anonymous OP 3w

Oh we’re one of the internet people I get it now lol.

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