Anonymous #1 3w

No tf they didn’t. They never had the left in the first place. They had two branches of pro-capitalist liberal government that crushed their rebellion and left them beneath the boot of corporate oligarchs. And in the modern era, they abandoned the Democratic Party bc democrats abandoned them with the death of the coal industry.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Most of those folks didn’t know they were supposed to hate trans people and immigrants till the establishment right told them to, god forbid they direct their anger at the people actually causing their issues

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Anonymous #2 3w

They have Christan conservative values. Y’all are the reason Dems keep loosing

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Anonymous #1 3w

Losing

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Anonymous #2 3w

Not to mention that most older Appalachians are far more insulated from the culture war bullshit than non-Appalachian southerners. We’re isolated, and old as shit, and not tech-savvy in the least. Most common response to transness from older Appalachians is surprise and curiosity— not bigoted bullshit.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Not all conservative Christians are evangelicals or extremists, prior to the weaponization and fear mongering around diversity many folks were fine to let people do what they want, that’s also a core tenant of republicanism

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Anonymous #1 3w

Yeah OLD Christian values. Not this new age evangelical malarkey. That has nothing to do with why central Appalachian counties vote red, though. We turned against Dems because they left us for dead. Now we have to vote red because Reps the only party openly willing to keep our cities alive. Don’t like it but that’s the boat we’re in.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Oldest usage was a slur for southern farmers. However, the popularization of the term, and the relation of the term to rebellion came in early 1920s, when Appalachian coal miners rebelled against coal companies and tied red bandanas around their necks to recognize each other.

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Anonymous OP 3w

How are yall even arguing with me I grew up in red neck kerville Texas. Look at the elections the democrats had poor whites under Obama. They lost them with the trans stuff with kids and weird race politics

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Anonymous #1 3w

Dems keep losing bc they have no backbone, and no policy to show for it

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Anonymous #1 3w

Then you’re a TEXAN. Not an Appalachian. The shift of CENTRAL APPALACHIAN politics came with the economic shift against the fossil fuel industry.

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Anonymous #4 3w

Preach!

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Anonymous OP 3w

In other words, it isn’t the origin of the term.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Texas voters want religion in government.

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Anonymous #3 3w

I mean fair, but close enough.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Looks at the stats

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Anonymous OP 3w

No. Not close enough. The popular modern usage much more closely resembles the original use, so that pretty much renders that particular angle of outrage to be completely moot.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Rural southern morons want their government to be run by the “Christian” church. GOP grifters run with that and use it to raise money and convince broke rednecks to vote against their self-interest and support literal blasphemy the entire time. That’s what happens when a state doesn’t invest in education.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Aye. I see your point on a national scale. Outrage still stands when you hear Appalachians self-identifying as redneck rebels, while exclusively referring to southern, confederate rebels. It’s a similar annoyance to seeing West Virginians fly the confederate flag; they don’t understand their own history or what their ancestors actually fought for, thereby using the term as it applies to them incorrectly.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Of course they don’t. They’re West Virginian. When I worked there, I saw moms putting Mtn Dew into baby bottles for their infants and toddlers.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Mormons aren’t Appalachian

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Anonymous #1 3w

Wrong mountains

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Anonymous #1 3w

Mormons aren’t Christians.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Bro WHAT. Lived here all my life and that’s certainly a new one.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I saw it almost every day doing oil and gas work in Charles Town, Martinsburg, Romney, and Moorefield. And then a few weeks in Shinnston and Fairmont.

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Anonymous #3 3w

I’m sorry. I ain’t trying to accuse you of lying but I’m having trouble wrapping my mind around that. Were the parents addicts or smth?

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Anonymous OP 3w

I don’t know these people. I just saw it happening in people’s homes when we would be leasing their mineral rights. I saw it with people walking around in downtown areas. I saw it in restaurants—parents ordering it for the kids and putting it into their bottles at the table.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Holy fuckin shit that’s embarrassing. 😭

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Anonymous OP 3w

Yep. And my best friend got pulled over in Morgantown for underage drinking and DWI, but the cops let him DRIVE OFF when they learned he was an oil and gas permit agent. Knew he was shit-hammered and straight up told him to be more careful. Keep in mind, he was pulled over for driving on a sidewalk.

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Anonymous #3 3w

God help us 😵‍💫

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Anonymous #2 3w

Conservative Christians are all trash.

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Anonymous #3 3w

And you are exactly why I vote republican. You have all that hate. And you know what’s funny the vast majority of those conservative republicans would only ever wish you the best.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Your under-developed brain and your preference for fairy tales over science is why you vote Republican. I have nothing to do with your choices.

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Anonymous #1 3w

I don’t give a fuck what they “wish” for me when they actively support theocratic policies and pedophiles. But I guess that’s what you dumb fucks are used to seeing every fucking Sunday morning. Hypocrite troglodytes too god damn dumb to recognize when you’re being conned and grifted.

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Anonymous #3 3w

I would just be careful judging groups of people by what you see on social media. I implore you go out and at least see those groups you hate first hand. Go to a church or visit a small town. It’ll either further your beliefs or question them. I just hope you find god 🙏 . He’s always there for you even if you don’t believe in him.

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Anonymous #1 3w

I don’t judge based on what I see on social media. I judge based on what I see in real life. I live in the rural south. Fuck you and your willful ignorance. Fuck you and your fairy tale delusion. Fuck your church and every other church. Religion is a cancer to society, and rural Texas is a fucking cesspool of stupidity.

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Anonymous #3 3w

That’s fine, just know it’s not reciprocal. All the love 🙏

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Anonymous #1 3w

Just know it’s not reciprocal. I hate everything about you, and the best thing you will ever do for the world is leave it.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Dawg if you’re going to vote for something, vote for policies that will improve your life, not just against a group because you associate them with people who trashtalk you. I get it, people are annoying. But voting for the sake of owning the opposition has just landed all of us in a deeper and deeper cesspool

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Anonymous OP 3w

Cultists do what their cult leaders tell them to do. That’s what makes them perfect marks for GOP grifters. The behavior comes naturally.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Gahdamn #3 0_0

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Anonymous #3 3w

I mean aye but this ain’t natural. It’s the result of a lack of education. Something that’s becoming less and less accessible for the common folk, esp in rural areas. I get the rage but hell, they couldn’t be perpetuators of the system if they weren’t victims of it first.

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Anonymous OP 3w

No, they chose it. And they choose it again every single day. Don’t make excuses for them. Don’t enable them. Don’t coddle them. THAT is where people went wrong: using kid gloves to handle bigots and morons. Treat them exactly how they deserve to be treated.

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Anonymous #3 3w

I want to, believe me. But trust me man it just makes em dig their heels in harder. Been around a lot of old traditional folk. If the first encounter they have with leftist/progressive ideals comes with a backhanded insult, it has the opposite effect.

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Anonymous #3 3w

That being said— there are many beyond saving. In which case— have at em. Idk. Not trying to sound scoldy at all, but fr it helps to sniff out which ones are worth talking TO and not AT, if that makes sense.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Guess what. Either way, it has no effect. Stop allowing them access to your life and your kindness when you know it isn’t deserved. The only way to eliminate this shit is to make it socially unacceptable to be a racist, homophobic zealot.

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Anonymous #3 3w

If you’re really curious why I voted for him I can tell you. My family own a small ranch . I’ll list them to make it easy 1. EPA rules like WOTUS can turn our ponds and ditches into “federal waters” that require expensive permits. My neighbors who use public land have problems with BLM permits getting tied up in lawsuits under democrats.

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Anonymous #1 3w

But most importantly, estate taxes could force our kids to sell the ranch when we die, since the land is worth a lot on paper but doesn’t make much cash. Trump raised the estate tax exemption, so he feels like the only one trying to keep family ranches from being taken apart by taxes.

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Anonymous OP 3w

None are worth talking to. They have access to the same resources as everyone else. They made their choice. Force the consequences on them. They talk a lot about consequences, thanks to the buzzwords of their Dear Leader. Time for them to reap what they sow.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Oh I agree it should be made socially unacceptable. But alienation has the opposite, polarizing effect we see today. Shaming chases them deeper into a community where they won’t feel insulted. Speaking from experience, here. Patience, understanding, and education had its effect on me and mine. It can be done for others.

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Anonymous OP 3w

No. Stop coddling bigots. Period.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Bro they’re not the only ones who face the consequences of their actions tho. We’re in the boat with them. Best to try to get them to put down the gun rather than letting em keep on firing through the hull.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Stop letting them into your boat. Let them sink in theirs.

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Anonymous #3 3w

They get to vote. We’re stuck in this boat together, unfortunately.

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Anonymous OP 3w

You’re fucked until you realize this isn’t the same boat. Because it isn’t. There are two Americas, and every time you accept their stupidity, you’re ensuring theirs is the one that will be left standing. Have some fucking pride and stop living your life as a god damn doormat. These people “wish you well” but don’t give an actual fuck about you. Stop it.

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Anonymous #3 3w

They may not care about us but they still have a say in how our lives work. Like bro they voted for this administration and now we have to live under it too. I ain’t saying to treat them with undue respect out of principle; it’s a matter of practicality. People don’t listen if they feel disrespected straight out the gate.

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Anonymous OP 3w

So by all means, reward that idiotic decision by sending the message that no matter how much they fuck so the you, you’ll still be nice and welcoming to them. That’ll do it.

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Anonymous OP 3w

When people deserve disrespect, they get disrespect. It is earned. It isn’t a right.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Oh well. I tried.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Now try something that will actually have an impact.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Would you rather I start insulting you instead? Do you think that would convince you to see reason?

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Anonymous OP 3w

I think it will have the exact same result. The difference is that we are not friends. We aren’t colleagues. We aren’t family. You mean literally nothing to me, and your existence is irrelevant to me. Stop being nice to the people in your life who are actually and actively supporting rapist pedophile con-men. Make them choose grifters or you. Make them choose art or the rapists. Make them choose culture or theocracy. Otherwise, they know they can have both. Stop giving it to them; stop enabling.

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Anonymous OP 3w

The “reason” people vote for bigotry is because they think it’s acceptable. By coddling these whiny bitches for years and “turning the other cheek,” people have done nothing but validate that concern while the underlying sentiment has only swelled to a fever pitch. If you are coddling evangelical dipshits, you might as well be one of them.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Good. You saw it. Now stop living the life of a pathetic enabler and actually take some agency toward the things you claim to support. Fuckass.

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Anonymous mother_russia 3w

They wanted more small communes rather than government socialism as they didn’t trust institutions but would trust individuals that they know.

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Anonymous mother_russia 3w

So it’s similar to socialism but very small scale and can only be enforced socially rather than governmentally

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Anonymous mother_russia 3w

Rednecks REALLY hated and mistrusted the government and would always assume if the government (or any ruling institution) could do wrong that they would do wrong. Which I respect.

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Anonymous mother_russia 3w

But then it got taken over by white supremacists because they would isolate on farms and inbreed and things and was taken over by meth makers and moonshine bootleggers so that’s what they are known for now

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Anonymous mother_russia 3w

Brother

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Anonymous mother_russia 3w

The “isolate on farms and inbreed” is highkey rooted in some really problematic classist attitudes. A lot of this is more rooted in people’s ideas about Appalachia than the reality. There’s not even many farms to be had around there beyond basic homesteads. It was primarily mining, which is one of the reasons Appalachia was historically a cradle of the union movement. There’s also a long history of progressive folk schools in Appalachia that goes well into the present day.

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Anonymous mother_russia 3w

You’re right about a lot, but you’re missing key pieces. The Appalachian mistrust of higher enforcement came from the fact that the corps, state, and federal government never used their power to uphold the rights of the working class. They are socialist in principle, but they knew that whatever they were required to give wouldn’t be allocated to social support systems— it would just be absorbed by corporate entities.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Furthermore- they pled to the state & federal govt for aid & corporate regulation. They both responded by aiding the company owners with guards & bombs. A socialist who opposes regulation is still a socialist when that regulation is only in the name of capitalist gain.

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Anonymous OP 3w

That’s fair!

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Anonymous #6 3w

To be clear, “isolated on farms and inbreed” happened in my local area, like not saying that on stereotypes. My dad’s hometown had a decent bit of it as it was a lot of isolated farmers 💀 there is of course propaganda about communes and other communities but this specific thing has definitely been an issue

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Anonymous #6 3w

The rednecks I’m talking about were Appalachian hillbillies, but also coal miners who rebelled against coal companies in the early 20th century. They wore red bandanas around their necks to identify each other. Hence “redneck.”

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