It’s truly one of my favorite jokes. Like for no reason

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Yeah I understand. My comedy doesn’t usually include this joke

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Anonymous #5 17w

A very valid and solid joke to pull out when people argue over ts

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What is smart about what? Tf are you asking me? Are you offended or something?

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So…why are you asking me that? Do you need me to explain the purpose of the joke being that people choose to identify how they want and that the joke is that someone could identify as an Apache helicopter? I must be missing something here. Maybe you can help?

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And don’t get me wrong brother, you asked the question first, nobody was speaking to you 😂🫵🏼

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And we’re deleting comments? Me using an emoji is a troll was almost a good point. But no bro I’m just laughing at you, because you can’t handle someone else supporting another’s opinion that the joke is indeed funny, and on brand for the subject of discussion. It’s not attacking trans people or their right to be who they are. Who is mad now? I sure as hell wasn’t upset earlier either I was just trying to figure out what you were asking me.

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Anonymous #6 17w

Anyone with a brain knows that the joke is making fun of trans people but alright gang lmao

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Well, thanks. As an ally and friend of many, who make jokes far more worse and morbid than something I picked up in middle school it appalls me that we’re arguing over words that with no intended harm were said. Gday and bless up.

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

I think transplants and large transfusions from other sexes make for the most interesting debate on if someone can technically change their biological sex.

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

Hormone Replacement Therapy changes not only brain chemistry, but also physiological sex. MtF patients not only develop breasts but their mammary glands enlarge and are capable of lactation when prolactin is introduced. FtM patients have been observed developing prostate tissue.👇

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Anonymous #7 17w

Oooooo I was wondering if any notable changes happened to the brain! That’s super interesting!

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

I can get a splinter and call myself a tree too. Brain dead argument

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Anonymous #14 17w

This isn’t analogous at all, actually. You can’t transplant tree cells into a human. You can transplants organs and cells between different sexes.

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Anonymous #7 17w

I’ll break it down for you. Splinter = part of a tree. Organ/residual chromosomes from birth = part of a person. If I get a splinter, I am not a tree. If I get chromosomes from someone else, I am not that person. Make sense or do you want me to make a cartoon about it?

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Anonymous #14 17w

i hope you get splinters in all your fingers from a cursed tree that slowly turns all your bones into brittle wood

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Anonymous #12 17w

I hope you never mature past your delusional view of reality so you stay uninformed and struggle to provide any value to society ;)

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Anonymous #14 17w

The key difference being one is a plant and one is a person? Are you actually this dumb lmao

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Anonymous #7 17w

With the exact same result. A splinter doesn’t turn you into a tree, childbirth does not turn you into the opposite sex. Call me dumb, but at the end of the day I’m not the one defending this viewpoint so dissociated with reality

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Anonymous #14 17w

So a splinter is very different! The reason is because the splinter doesn’t become a part of your body and stay with you forever. It’s like people with permanent electronic transplants like a pace maker being considered cyborgs because they work together and stay there permanently.

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Anonymous #14 17w

Now also, cells divide and multiply so once you have a separate set of dna in your system, there is no idea how much of it there actually is in your body and how many of your cells have different kinds of dna. They become part of your body similar to drinking water except our body never dumps it out.

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Anonymous #14 17w

If the sole definition of female is a human with xx chromosomes, then a human with multiple sets of different chromosomes wouldn’t fall under that category. So then goes to argue, is it chromosomes and body parts that defines someone as a female? Then changing body parts relates to changing sexes.

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

You’re so close. Pacemaker carriers aren’t robots, they possess electronics. In a similar sense to how splinter carriers aren’t trees, they simply possess wood. In the same sense mothers aren’t males, they simply possess one of their child’s male traits.

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Anonymous #14 17w

And if you say the definition would then just be a human with majority xx chromosomes, how do you know when it’s a majority? We can’t test every cell in our body for the chromosomes. Basically the only time people get tested any more than once is in studies specific to microchimerism in humans. So how do you personally get to make the judgement on male or female?

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

Cells divide and multiply, you’re right. But they do not outweigh the existing cellular structure of a human, otherwise it would be a cancer cell

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Anonymous #14 17w

Biology and chromosomes are a lot more complex than what they teach you in high school. We are still figuring out how much of a scale sex actually is and how much of our dna is probably foreign to our bodies. It’s very interesting research and I highly recommend reading up on it.

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

Right… the DNA that our bodies created are foreign to our bodies… this delusion goes a lot deeper than I originally thought

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

The kid’s genetics do NOT change the genetic makeup of the mother. In the slightest. Microchimerisms are RESIDUAL DNA strands left. If you put an orange in a bucket of apples, the bucket is not full of oranges.

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Anonymous #14 17w

Cyborg means human & robot not just robot, so yes they are defined as cyborgs because they live from both organic and inorganic materials permanently in their bodies.

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Anonymous #14 17w

I never said cells would out weigh the existing cellular structure 👍

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

“Cells divide and multiply so once you have a separate set of dna in your system, there is no idea how much of it there actually is in your body and how many of your cells have different kinds of dna”, “…how do you know when it’s a majority? We can test every cell in our body for the chromosomes”

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Anonymous #14 17w

I said that we are still figuring out how much of our dna is probably foreign to our bodies. Meaning: almost everyone has at least some dna that didn’t originate from our bodies. If you’ve given oral? You probably have foreign dna! You have older siblings? Foreign dna! Ever been came in? Foreign dna! Given birth? Foreign dna! And many other possibilities too!

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Anonymous #14 17w

Yes, you don’t know the exact number of cells of foreign dna is in your body because the cells multiply. Thats is 100% true. And I’m also saying it can happen from so many sources that we have no idea how much of our dna is actually just ours and how much is foreign. And yes some people can physically have any level of chromosome concentration between xx and xy (which aren’t the only chromosome types) including 50/50. It’s extremely uncommon to be that far on the scale obviously.

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I’m saying that all of those actions leave residual foreign dna in your body that’s says with you for supposedly the rest of our life. It seems quite obvious how it relates to the subject matter.

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It's worth mentioning that everyone in utero develops as female initially. It's why males have nipples and a seam on their scrotum from where their vestigial labia fused. Sex is partially encoded in our DNA, yes, but much of our expressed phenotype is due to hormonal changes during development. This is precisely why transsexuals who transition earlier in their development are more passable as the sex they transition to.

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

So… you’re walking back on your original claim that biological sex can be changed or influenced. Microchimerisms do not alter the mother’s existing DNA structure in the slightest, simply adds to the pool, which you’ve agreed to. Extremes do exist, but that does not CHANGE or INFLUENCE anything about the existing structure

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Oh absolutely! The differences between men and women are almost all hormonal! Sex characteristics and secondary sex characteristics are all formed from hormones and not a whole separate set of dna that the other sex doesn’t have

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Anonymous #7 17w

I’m not arguing gender here, smart one. I’m talking about hardcoded genetics, not hormonal changes. Hormones don’t change anything about the DNA sequence of any chromosome

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Anonymous #14 17w

It replaces dna in your body and becomes permanently a part of your body, your body is what determines your sex, changing your body would mean changing your sex. That’s not walking back my point at all.

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Anonymous #14 17w

I’m not talking about gender either dumbass, I’m talking about sex. Sex is a bimodal distribution, not a genetic binary. You are wrong.

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

You should do some more research on microchimerisms then, as no DNA is replaced. It is added.

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Anonymous #7 17w

You’re bringing up hormones when they have no effect on DNA sequences in chromosomes. The XY and XX chromosomes are NOT bimodal, what are you on about?

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Anonymous #14 17w

Obviously trans people aren’t getting blood transfusions to match their gender identity, but my whole point with all of this is that sex is not a clear cut definition and contrary to popular belief, most of us have at least 2 sets of dna in us. Sex is a spectrum biologically. Mosaicism is when your body mutates it’s own dna and makes two separate dnas for your whole body with neither of them being foreign (and yes it can cause both xx and xy chromosomes simultaneously in the body)

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Anonymous #14 17w

The dna is replaced because in a transplant they are removing an organ or skin and putting one in with separate dna 🤦‍♀️

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

Sex is absolutely a clear cut definition. If you are born with XX chromosomes, you are female. If you are born with XY chromosomes, you are male. If you have XXY or XYY, you are intersex, and are not a standard case. There’s nothing out of that, and if you truly believe there is some sort of grey area in this, you are seriously delusional

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Anonymous #14 17w

I’m not saying the foreign cells take over or kill the other cells, I’m saying they are normally put there on purpose to replace cells the body lost.

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Anonymous #14 17w

So if you are born with xx and xy like I just discussed happening with mosaicism? And how would you know if they only do one test to check your dna?

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

Let’s say you do get an organ transplant. Yes, in this case the cells get replaced. Does that mean they are your cells? Absolutely none of those cells will trace back to the donor upon a DNA test?

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Anonymous #14 17w

Intersex people are living proof that sex is not a genetic binary lmao you cannot be this stupid

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Anonymous #14 17w

Also if you have an older sibling, a twin, or if you mother miscarried before giving birth to you, you were most likely born with some of their dna. And if that sibling or embryo was a different chromosome type? You’ll have some of that when you are born as well!

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Anonymous #7 17w

Never said it was strictly binary, but it certainly is NOT bimodal, and it certainly is NOT a spectrum. You can’t spew bullshit and pretend you’re right

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Anonymous #14 17w

You’re also just WRONG. AGAIN. XX males exist dumbass.

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Anonymous #7 17w

Genetically, they are females. Physically they appear as males. Again, I’m not arguing gender here smart one.

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Anonymous #14 17w

Sex is absolutely bimodal because it is a criteria of SEVERAL things, not just your genetic karyotype.

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Anonymous #14 17w

They develop phenotypically male. You really are just dumb as rocks.

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Anonymous #7 17w

Yeah? What factors does SEX look at that isn’t your genetic karyotype?

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Anonymous #14 17w

I would say if they are in my body and working with my body, they are my cells. It’s quite dumb to imply the ownership of the cells belongs to the person whose dna it matches rather than the person who is using the cells and actually in possession of them permanently. If you get a metal screw in your body, obviously you didn’t originally make it but it is permanently a part of your body and yours now.

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Anonymous #7 17w

Phenotypic: relating to the observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment.

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Anonymous #14 17w

So if it’s not binary and it’s not a spectrum and it’s not bimodal, what is it?

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

2-bit binary, 4 combinations total

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Anonymous #14 17w

Gametes produced, phenotypical expression, primary and secondary sex characteristics, and hormone levels are a few of the other things we use when determining the sex of a person. It’s not just about Karyotype. XX males still develop phenotypically male. They will have male genitalia.

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Anonymous #14 17w

So you are saying it’s binary but you are saying it’s not strictly binary and people can have two sets of dna from birth that their body made and mutated itself being both xx and xy but it’s clear cut on male and female clearly

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Anonymous #7 17w

We don’t define sex, biology does. We define gender. XX males are biologically female, but we define them as male.

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Anonymous #14 17w

I’m about to “Ship of Theseus” your ass and ask, if I have a transplant for most of my organs, does my body stop being mine and do I stop being me at any point because under your logic, any foreign dna isn’t mine. So what percentage foreign dna (foreign meaning I didn’t form it myself) do I need from another source before it stops being my body?

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

2-binary, look it up. It’s not simply a 1 or 0, it’s a 00, 01, 10, 11. 4 possibilities.

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Anonymous #14 17w

🤦‍♀️ yes I’m aware and I’m saying that I’ve actively stated something that exists outside of it and you keep ignoring it

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

Every cell that your central nervous system has developed has the karyotype that shows your sex. You could replace everything but your brain, and your brain will still show that you were born a certain sex.

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Anonymous #14 17w

Mosaicism. A baby born with two sets of their own dna. One set xx. The other set xy. What is the baby’s sex?

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

What exists outside of it? Cells that are externally sourced from another sex? Something that took absolutely no part in your central nervous system’s development over your sex? The mental gymnastics…

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Anonymous #14 17w

Yes, we do. 😭 This is like saying humans don’t define colors on the visible spectrum of light. Sex is a classification we define on the basis of the factors I described. It’s boundaries are not objective.

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Anonymous #14 17w

So then it doesn’t matter what the rest of my body is, it’s only about what karyotype my brain is?

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

Correct. If you did not develop a single cell outside of what exists in your brain, it’s only about what karyotype your brain is.

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Anonymous #14 17w

MOSAICISM!

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

Mosaicism still exists within the 2-bit binary definition. It doesn’t magically create a new DNA sequence of a chromosome, it adds 2 existing sequences. XX + XY.

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Anonymous #14 17w

Oh my god this is like pulling teeth with you. I am going to recap everything in the simplest of terms:

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

You’re trying to find ways around my dispute over “sex can be changed!” by somehow going to “sex can be different for different people!” yet somehow I fell for the strawman. My original point still stands: sex cannot be changed or manipulated after it has already been defined.

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Anonymous #14 17w

Sex is a spectrum. Sex is defined as male or female. Male or female is defined as having all xy or all xx chromosomes respectively. People exist with both sets of chromosomes as varying levels even as far as 50/50. So people exist between male and female. So male and female is a spectrum. So sex is a spectrum. Some people just have more cells of one chromosome than others.

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Anonymous #14 17w

Maybe you should reread my original comment because it’s quite obvious what I said then and what I’m saying now are the same thing.

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

“Biological sex can be changed or influenced in a sense” is NOTHING even remotely close to the claim you just made.

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Anonymous #14 17w

Also to the point you said earlier about the brain/ central nervous system defining your sex, what about people with transplants of foreign brain matter? It’s an uncommon procedure but it happens. Are they a different sex?

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

Your sex has already been defined by the sperm that fertilized the egg. Any transplants after that do not change your sex, which goes to my original point. Sex cannot be changed. Keep avoiding it.

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Anonymous #14 17w

Close! “Biological sex can kinda be changed or influenced in a sense.” And then I go on to explain chimerism which changing the dna in your body by adding in foreign dna that never leaves.

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

And that changes your existing chromosomes how exactly? It changes absolutely nothing, it just adds new cells that have nothing to do with you

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Anonymous #14 17w

And what about when two sperm fertilize one egg? Then what’s the sex?

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Anonymous #14 17w

“Nothing to do with you” dude they are keeping you alive. They are working as part of your body and your body accepted at as a part of you.

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

When two sperm fertilize one egg, the result is death, with the exception to TWO cases. They result in the same sex, either female or male.

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

Nothing to do with your prenatal development. I have a feeling you know what I meant but you just hate being wrong so much

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Anonymous #14 17w

I’m ngl it kinda seems like your argument is semantic and one big Appeal to Nature fallacy

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Anonymous #7 17w

I’m not saying anything is bad because it’s unnatural. I’m stating sex cannot be changed. If you want to talk about fallacies, I can name quite a few ad hominems and strawmen coming from you.

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Anonymous #14 17w

You realize you said before that sex isn’t strictly binary, and everything I’ve stated is evidence that it isn’t binary, and even with 2-bit binary things exist in between the strict definition you personally gave of being born a woman xx, a man xy, or intersex xxy xyy, many children are born with at least two of those, yet you acknowledge that and say “see it’s 2-bit binary” 💀

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

Let’s assume for a second that everything I said after to my original point was wrong, and that you were so right on everything in your delusion. How can one change their sex?

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Anonymous #14 17w

The point is it’s not one or the other (as binary defines it as) but is bimodal or in other words a spectrum because people exist with more than two simultaneously.

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Anonymous #14 17w

Sex in the strict definition that most people believe it is, is already likely changed in most people because most people probably hold at least two sets of dna which could be xx and xy. But you could also go to change it “further” in a sense through blood transfusions or transplants.

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

You are aware that red blood cells, those involved in blood transfusions, do not carry a nucleus to provide any genetic information, right? And the recipient’s body does not incorporate any chromosomal makeup from an organ transplant, right? Just looked it up, turns out you were wrong the entire time

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Anonymous #14 17w

Anyways, I’m done pulling teeth with you. The science behind why sex is bimodal is honestly very straightforward. Even if you don’t consider any foreign dna as your own (regardless that your body accepted it as such) people still have mutations that change their chromosomes and exist between just xx dna or just xy dna. Like it or not.

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

Your body doesn’t incorporate any chromosomal data from external cells, look it up. People have mutations but it is never after development, the body will rebuild off its original structure. Every point you make is nonsense, and I know being wrong feels like pulling teeth so I get it. Hope you have a good night

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Anonymous #14 17w

Red blood cells aren’t the only thing in your blood. Genetic material will be in your blood. Like white blood cells.

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Anonymous #14 17w

Your definition of sex is still incorrect, it’s more than karyotype. If karyotype is all that sex is, and none of the other traits and characteristics I described constitute sex, aside from reproduction, sex is pretty much irrelevant.

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Anonymous #14 17w

You mean that the dna in the transplanted organ just stays in the organ and doesn’t extend outside of it? That literally was the point? You didn’t disprove anything.

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Anonymous #14 17w

I think you don’t understand the words you are reading and using. If you get a liver transplant let’s say, and the liver gets injured in some way, it’s the foreign dna that will repair the liver.

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Anonymous #14 17w

You’re just googling things desperately and trying to sound like you understand the topic after skimming the AI summary. Not one moment in this conversation have you proven anyone wrong except yourself 💀

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

LMAO y’all keep telling yourselves that sex is a spectrum and that the 1 out of 20 million case proves it. Live your reality and sit on your ass, I have better things to do than “debate” a biological fact with bums. Have a great night!

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Anonymous #14 17w

You sure showed us! 😂😂

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Anonymous #7 17w

I really love your knowledge on this topic. Could you message me more about the brains changing with hormones? Or maybe share a link to the study?

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gender is socially determined. you can be neither gender. there's absolutely nothing rigid or binary about it. stop trying to throw gender nonconforming people under the bus weirdo

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Anonymous #14 17w

seeing you argue is like watching a child who just learned about bohrs atomic model arguing that the quantum-mechanical model is incorrect

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Anonymous mother_russia 17w

this is true as well! we learned this today!

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