Anonymous #1 11w

Mass extinction of commies would be great too but for that to happen they'd have to institute autocratic communism so its a bit of a catch 22

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Anonymous #2 11w

you don't even know what communism is if you're against it lmfao

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Anonymous #1 11w

I just know it bans land ownership

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Anonymous #2 11w

it means a classless society. no billionaires, no homeless. everyone is guaranteed a fair opportunity, and yes land ownership is banned in the sense that one person can own more land or buy out another persons land just because they have more money. communism has been portrayed by propaganda mechanisms as a dystopian society where nobody can do anything and that's simply not true. it's just creating equity and human rights.

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Anonymous #1 11w

cannot* buy out more land

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Anonymous #1 11w

Why would I want to live without classes? They'll just be a hierarchy determined by whatever power structure we put in place, and likely 0 mobility in that hierarchy.

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Anonymous #2 11w

There'll** not they'll

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Anonymous #2 11w

you're simply thinking of it in an ignorant way. just because you can't become a billionaire and feed off the poor (not that you'd ever get that rich anyways), doesn't mean a classless society is bad. the idea that people must work their entire lives and steal from others is a very weird and disgusting way of thinking. the government would not be how you think of a government right now. there's too much corruption for communism here.

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Anonymous #2 11w

you completely ignored the fact that there's no such thing as a hierarchy in communism but go off ig

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Anonymous #1 11w

Lol the point that you can't become a billionaire is meaningless. Money only matters in its connection to power. If we remove the money but not the power we will get the same oppression.

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Anonymous #1 11w

I don't think Musk or Bezos or Bloomberg or any of these guys would stop vying for power just cause we don't have old dudes faces on paper anymore

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Anonymous #2 11w

i hope you educate yourself more about politics before you make any decisions on it. you have a very ignorant and miserable way of thinking

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Anonymous #1 11w

What am I being ignorant of?

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Anonymous #2 11w

i'm too hardcore for that convo🤣 in my perfect world they'd be long gone

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Anonymous #2 11w

Classless ≠ no hierarchy. Doctors would still be the people you go to for medical advice, scientist would still be the people you go to for science, therapists would still be the people you go to for therapy. Classless means there is no ruling class to take advantage of people using the means of production. We can go back to the “golden age” of the 50’s and 60’s where you’re local mailman can afford a house, car, groceries, vacation, etc and his wife can stay at home if she so chooses-

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Anonymous #2 11w

(Without the rampant racism, sexism, and overall bigotry).

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Anonymous #1 11w

So your real solution isn't to institute communism but just to kill everyone you see as vying for power?

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

You are just describing a meritocracy, and there has never been a system without a ruling class.

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

Communism actually necessitates that some group hold that level of power for central planning

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Anonymous #2 11w

A communist society is stateless, the group “holding the power” is the workers…

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Anonymous #2 11w

Google “meritocracy”. Communism ≠ the dissolving of doctors or scientists. It would ironically give more people the opportunity to explore careers. Doctors and scientists would still be important to society.

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

Yes, and when it happens in real life, I'll ride a flying pig off into the sunset.

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

I'm talking about in reality, not in theory.

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Anonymous #2 11w

“I can’t imagine a society where people aren’t abused by the rich and therefore call it a fairytale to strive towards better”

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

Change the word "rich" to "powerful" and you're starting to get there

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

In my opinion it's human nature to be selfish, not gonna get far asking society to try and change that.

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Anonymous #2 11w

That is the reality of a communist society. Just Google it bro… There are no, and have been no, communist states, there have only been transitional states…

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Anonymous #2 11w

Rich and powerful are one and the same…

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

Yes, because money is representative of power. This doesn't mean you can take away the idea of money and it also takes away the idea of power.

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Anonymous #2 11w

Why do you think revolutions happen? Social decay, when enough people are under enough oppression they revolt because money only goes so far.

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

I think revolutions happen when one is pushed to the point of believing the state wants him to die

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

Oppression has never been truly enough to justify an armed revolt if the ones being oppressed are fed and entertained

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Anonymous #2 11w

If we took away money then where would power come from other than the collective?

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

Materials, structures, and people, same as right now. If we took away money that doesn't remove anyone's military

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Anonymous #2 11w

With how food insecurity has only been increasing since COVID then that might become a reality…

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

Doubt it, Americans still have bigger issues with eating too much than eating too little.

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Anonymous #2 11w

When no one person owns materials, structures, or people then where does the power come from?

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

So communism isn't the removal of money but instead the removal of ownership?

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Anonymous #2 11w

Kind of. As I understand it, it doesn’t mean you don’t “own” your house. It means you can’t acquire “enough wealth” to buy your neighbors house. But you still have a house, it’s YOUR house, your neighbor can’t take it from you.

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

When does this take away the government's nukes? How do you facilitate that?

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Anonymous #2 11w

1 in 4 adults in the US report experiencing household food insecurity.

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Anonymous #2 11w

I don’t understand the question.

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

Well if its supposed to remove the oppressive power structures by removing the material ability to access them, wouldn't that include actually physically taking away forms of power such as weapons?

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Anonymous #2 11w

Marx is famously pro gun actually.

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

Not in the sense of gun rights at all

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

He's pro gun in the sense a warlord would be: he will give you a gun or accept your ownership of one if and only if you fight for him

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 11w

You get treated with the same "pro gun" ideology to an even greater extent if you join the US military

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Anonymous #2 11w

It appears you’re just making things up, honestly. "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary"

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