Anonymous #2 3w

Maybe we shouldn’t put people who don’t want to make things better in power lmfao.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Equal rights, for one.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

So you think social conservatism as it exists today opposes equal rights…?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Your gripe might be a bit more with socially conservative politicians who seek to legislate their values on others who may not agree, not with ppl who live their lives in a conservative way

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Anonymous #3 3w

Yeah? Do you know how many anti-trans bills in the U.S. have been proposed this year alone?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

Why do social conservatives not support gender transition? What reasons might they have for opposing it?

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Anonymous #3 3w

Every day I ask myself why there are people against transgender rights.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

So you really have no idea why anyone would oppose or even just have concerns about the idea of gender transition?

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Anonymous #3 3w

I can imagine arguments against it, as well as the arguments I’ve heard conservatives give. Neither are convincing.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

What’s the best argument you can think of against it?

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Anonymous #3 3w

I feel like I’ve given my stance pretty openly, could you give me yours before I answer more questions?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

Fair enough. I disagree with yet don’t object to socially transitioning, but medically transitioning—especially in the case of minors—is just insane

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Anonymous #3 3w

That’s not the worse stance to have. I guess I’d consider the “best” (least bullshit) argument being some form of “protect the children” thing where people think transitioning young somehow ruins children’s lives.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

Not that I think this.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

So you’re in favor of minors medically transitioning then?

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Anonymous #3 3w

If it’s prescribed and reversible, which many treatments are.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

And what treatments are reversible because I’m honestly not aware of any?

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Anonymous #3 3w

I mean I’m not sure atm of their medical names but some HRT treatments reverse if they aren’t kept up and the same goes for puberty blockers.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

HRT is superficially reversible, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to imagine that it could still have serious long-term health implications, do you?

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Anonymous #3 3w

I’m not a doctor, are you? I’ve just read that puberty blockers (at least some) are medically reversible. I haven’t heard about the long-term effects if there are any.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

I don’t need to be a doctor. There’s clear evidence that altering someone’s hormones messes with everything from their bone development to neurological development. But let’s put that aside for a moment because I think this goes to the value of social conservatism

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Anonymous #3 3w

Could I please get a source on that?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

Why should we run the risk in the first place? What do we stand to gain by delaying puberty? In that sense, social conservatism acts as a kind of guardrail that actually serves to protect people from very real harm

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Anonymous #3 3w

Also, I feel like you really glossed over the fact that I advocated for minors transitioning IF prescribed.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

Ok, but can you honestly tell me what rigorous basis there is for prescribing that someone medically transition? There are no labs, no tests, and no imaging, so what are we really talking about at that point?

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Anonymous #3 3w

Psychology and some brain chemistry, or do you deny that gender dysphoria is a mental illness?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

Oh sure. Here’s one from Pediatrics: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34497118/

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Anonymous #3 3w

I can’t open links.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Let me preface this with saying I’d prefer if minor wait in order to make sure they’re actually trans before seeking medically transitioning. But degrees of gender dysphoria exist and should be considered.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

With all due respect, psychology is not rigorous—not even close. And as for brain chemistry, there’s probably something there, sure, but what test is a clinician doing to interrogate that? It’s not something they can directly observe or test for, so that’s not exactly rigorous is it?

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Anonymous #3 3w

Well I didn’t say either was enough on its own. But there can definitely be enough to put together a case. Besides, we’re very off topic now. Conservatives (in the U.S., et least) don’t want trans adults to exist, let alone trans minors.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

I don’t necessarily dispute that it’s a mental illness. I object to the treatment. If we applied the same rationale underlying medical transitioning to body integrity dysphoria, then we’d be cutting people’s limbs off. Your subjective belief about yourself just cannot be binding when it comes to medical treatment…

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

tbf. statistically. most trans adults just don’t want to exist period.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Okay, well you’re getting dangerously close to making both a straw man and slippery slope.

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Anonymous #2 3w

Do they actually not want to exist, or is that due to them living in a society that routinely hates them simply for existing?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

they don’t want to exist and realized transitioning didn’t change that truth

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Anonymous #2 3w

Transitioning decreases suicidal tendencies almost across the board.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

I just wish GOP politicians (it is usually GOP politicians) would leave trans folks alone. They’re not hurting or endangering anyone

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Anonymous #1 3w

THANK YOU

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Anonymous #1 3w

They can have their own views on these things, they just shouldn’t force other folks to constrain to those views

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Anonymous #1 3w

That’s a better way of putting it, yeah.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

trans people are 18x more likely to attempt suicide than cis people. 🧍🏽‍♂️

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

no problem

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Anonymous #2 3w

“These people we call slurs and throw rocks at 24/7 keep committing suicide, must be because of those damned pronouns!”

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Truth.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

Yeah I can’t imagine hearing “You will never be a ____ and we will never leave you alone” from MAGA ppl helps anything

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

yeah

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