The heroin addict also seldom likes those against his poison

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Anonymous #2 11w

This may shock you but socialism is the stage in historical development prior to communism 🤯

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Anonymous OP 11w

Yes, and they're still two separate entities!

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Anonymous OP 11w

How many people overdose and die from participating in standard religion?

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Anonymous #3 11w

Religion literally kills countless people 💀

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Anonymous #2 11w

“Entities” lmao. also your point?

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Anonymous OP 11w

so has communism. Your point?

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Anonymous #3 11w

Difference is those “people” were Nazi Wehrmacht soldiers

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Anonymous #4 11w

Difference between “falling for” and “straight up agreeing with” 😉

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No actually your cult has undoubtedly killed plenty as well

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Anonymous OP 11w

Nah bro my family left communist Poland, shit wasn’t sweet. You might just be the dumbest person ever

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Anonymous #4 11w

And mine lived in the Ukrainian SSR. Sure there was hardship, but given the east had to entirely rebuild while the west was getting pumped full of American investment and capital, that’s not really surprising.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Fuck off. Let me shoot up in peace!

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Anonymous OP 11w

You’re a heroin addict?

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Anonymous OP 11w

Damn so your family escaped the trenches just for you to simp for it? My korean grandmother would disown me if i praised communism, a system responsible for the death of countless friends and family she was separated from growing up.

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Anonymous OP 11w

The 5 million Ukrainians who died during the Holodomor would disagree with you. Also, the Soviets participated in collaborative weapons development with the Nazis before the invasion of Poland, so what’s your point?

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Anonymous OP 11w

You can agree but be prepared for people to disagree with you

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Anonymous #9 11w

Americas greatest mistake after ww2 was not holding the reds accountable for their crimes during their nazi alliance period. Allies should have invaded russia on multiple fronts pushing towards moscow. I know many will disagree. And that is fair.

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Anonymous #8 11w

I never said you can’t believe, just that there is no reason to believe in backwards superstition

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Anonymous #8 11w

I very much am not surprised at the reaction lol

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Anonymous #9 11w

My ancestors lived through the famine, a very real tragedy with a number of causes, but also not surprising given a total upheaval of society and the effects from the civil war.

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Anonymous #5 11w

Unsurprising you hold the same opinion as the fascists 🤭

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Anonymous OP 11w

So can I be Christian, Muslim, or Jewish under socialism?

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Anonymous #8 11w

Ofc!! Everyone should have the right to practice religion, however the government should hold the scientific position that there is no evidence for metaphysical or the supernatural. Anything short of that lets the dominant religion begin influencing politics.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Ah yes i am a fascist for *checks notes* Wanting a a communist regime to be held responsible for the internment and death of ten million plus of its own people while aiding actual fascist nazi germany with its attempt at global domination. It must be difficult, being so fucking stupid. How dare people want accountability.

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Anonymous #5 11w

You realize that the archives are open right? The USSR had to buy time to prepare for their inevitable war with Nazi germany, they knew the whole time it was not only inevitable but necessary. Countless polish and Ukrainian Jews (like my family) were saved by their actions, and while there is plenty to criticize, your position is indistinguishable from the Nazis who would salivate over your proposed idea.

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Anonymous OP 11w

You are excusing a nation committing mass slaughter of its people because you believe it would help them prepare for war with another nation that is also invading people and massacring/genociding people they dont like. You are deranged and should be fucking hanged.

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Anonymous #5 11w

They didn’t “escape the trenches” they lived and died for the socialist project.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Dawg, the Ukrainian civil war concluded nearly a decade before the holodomor. If the civil war was the cause, those two events would be more closely linked. Foreseeable complications due to rapid collectivization and Lysenkoism were the driving forces behind the severity of the holodomor, both of which the Soviets implemented.

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Anonymous #5 11w

What “mass slaughter of its people” are you referring to specifically?

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Anonymous #9 11w

Say what you will about the Soviets not being “true socialists” or whatever, but regardless of where you stand, the willful lack of foresight on the part of the Soviet government WAS what led to the holodomor. They are DIRECTLY responsible, not some nebulous “insurmountable circumstances” you seem to like throwing around.

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Anonymous #5 11w

Also ofc you want to hang a communist Jew lmao you are a fascist

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Anonymous #9 11w

Bro can u guys like dm eachother holy hell my notifcations is getting diddied

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Anonymous #1 11w

Turn off notifications then

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Anonymous #8 11w

No ill just delete my comment

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Anonymous OP 11w

Yet your poster shows a contradictory message. It literally depicts the personification of socialism beating back Jesus and Muslim/jewish stereotypes with a hammer. Your post further communicates the two as incompatible (“the struggle AGAINST religion is the struggle FOR socialism”) That isn’t an acceptance of religion or people’s freedom to believe, it’s a denial of that freedom under socialism.

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What genocide? If you are referring to “double genocide theory” that is straight up holocaust revisionism

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Anonymous #8 11w

People should absolutely struggle against backwards and bigoted ideas like religion, the government should however protect both anti-religious and religious speech

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Anonymous OP 11w

Dawg, when did I talk about invading the country or hanging you? That’s #5. Do I agree with him? No. I’m here for civil discourse, not death threats. Slandering me just makes you look disingenuous.

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Anonymous #9 11w

But back to your point about it not being intentional. The issue is that liability does not care about intentions. I never said that the Soviets killed five million people out of malice, I said that they killed them out of willful ignorance. The result and culpability are almost the same regardless of the exact cause.

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Anonymous #9 11w

Ah no you are correct! My bad it’s showing your pfp as the same color that’s on me

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Anonymous #9 11w

My apologies I genuinely thought those comments were yours

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Anonymous #9 11w

It would be very difficult to prove the ignorance was “willful”, and I don’t think you hold the capitalist west to the same standard when their willful imperialist actions kill nearly 100 million every decade.

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Anonymous OP 11w

I’d love to see your source for that number

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Anonymous #10 11w

And I’d love to see the source for any of the other claims made here! All of these deaths are preventable, they occur because of the systematic impoverishment and extraction of wealth from third world nations via imperialism. These stats make it over 100 million every decade.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Please specify what you mean by “struggle”.

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Anonymous #8 11w

Actively challenge religious ideas and educate themselves regarding the evolution of humanity, and the origins of all world religions as human social constructions.

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Anonymous OP 11w

But your poster doesn’t show “Actively Challenging” in a respectful sense. It depicts the use of violence (or the threat of violence) against religious groups personified by cartoonish stereotypes. You’re sending two messages. One is that religion is bad but people should be able to practice and believe in it if they want to. The other is that religion is bad and should be eliminated from all social, economic, and political areas through violence.

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Anonymous #8 11w

such is the dilemma of the modern globalist

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Anonymous #8 11w

The poster is symbolic, the characters represent the gods of each religion, not the worshippers. The use of stereotypes back then for these gods admittedly isn’t the best looking today, but was certainly made by atheists who formerly believed in these religions. I can tell a Jewish atheist contributed by the inclusion of the tefillin alone. This poster is not advocating violence, but now It makes more sense to me why the reaction was so strong lol.

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Anonymous #3 11w

I don’t really get what you mean?

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Anonymous #8 11w

Idk what they mean either lol 💀

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Anonymous OP 11w

The personification of socialism has a hammer raised against three religious figures. This implies its use against them (why else would it be raised if not for use?) to “beat back” religion. It communicates that socialism will not tolerate religion and will use any means necessary to combat it. Your message disagreeing with religion but respecting people’s right to practice contradicts the poster’s message.

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Anonymous #8 11w

The hammer is symbolic!! It represents beating back these gods with the power of socialist education. It represents fighting the idea (hence he’s beating back gods, not worshipers or priests). You can also look to the Soviet constitution, which enshrined freedom of religion. There absolutely were restrictions on the church and organized religion, but personal belief was never repressed.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Frankly it’s a very offensive image. If the characters represent the gods of each religion, the Muslim one is straight up blasphemous as Islam does not permit images of Allah. The same goes for the Crucifix, and the Jewish caricature can easily be interpreted as antisemitic. I would recommend you never post this or any images like it again.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Please tell me how the hammer symbolizes education.

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Anonymous #8 11w

As a Jewish atheist the caricature of YHVH I find pretty amusing. I know formerly Muslim atheists who would find the depiction of Allah funny as well. While I wouldn’t produce these caricatures today, these were created by atheists at the time who were formerly believers in all of these religions. As for the blasphemy that is kind of the point lol, these gods don’t exist.

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Anonymous #8 11w

Do you think it is advocating beating gods with a real hammer? Lmao do you have any sense of symbolism?

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Anonymous #8 11w

It’s funny how violent symbolism is acceptable in this case

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Anonymous #3 11w

“Awww those poor imaginary gods are afraid of the hammer” lmao grow up

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Anonymous OP 11w

So Nazi symbolism isnt unacceptable according to you?

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Anonymous #3 11w

Pardon? 😭😭😭

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Anonymous OP 11w

you seem to permit violent symbolism when you find the receiver to be acceptable and the cause to be justifiable in your perspective. If you agree you are impartial on violent symbolism, otherwise you are partial.

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Anonymous #3 11w

This is almost like a fundamental property of humans if there were such a thing. We are generally a violent species and our greatest threats tend to be within our own species

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Anonymous #3 11w

I have no problem with “violent” symbolism against imaginary beings. “Violent” symbolism against ethnic minorities is completely different and obviously reprehensible. Are you serious or trolling? Lmao

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Anonymous OP 11w

Is that basic word beyond your vocabulary? 😂 And that was my point. That's all. Your post doesn't really have a point so there's nothing to debate or anything. You just posted an old Russian communist propaganda poster, and described what was happening in the image.

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Anonymous #2 11w

No it’s just they aren’t “entities” in any sense of the word lmao like a state, but a mode of political, economic, and social organization. Like capitalism or feudalism in the previous stages of development.

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Anonymous OP 11w

These stages aren’t “entities” lmao 💀

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Anonymous OP 11w

I forgot you believe these beings (or one of them) are real, so ofc you view violent imagery towards them equaly as bad as violent imagery towards real human beings that actually exist. 💀💀💀

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Anonymous OP 11w

This is laughably bad. 3.5 million is the number of lives the WHO estimates that vaccines *save* every year. Whoever made this graphic got it completely backwards. Not to mention the ridiculousness of using a global stat that includes socialist countries. It also misses the point. The estimated communist death tolls do not include all preventable deaths in communist countries, they only total deaths that are deemed to be directly caused by the policies of communist governments.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Dang man you reallyyyyy want to argue, huh? 😂 Felt. Well you just straight up need to go look up the dictionary definitions of entity But I'm totally down to argue about something else, first off, is this meant to be an anti-socialism post or a pro-socialism post?

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Anonymous #2 11w

Do you have a disability or is this a troll? This isn’t an insult I’m actually asking you because I don’t want to be mean to someone who genuinely has an issue. I beg you to look at my fucking posts in this thread and you’ll get your answer?

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Anonymous #2 11w

“Union of Soviet *Socialist* Republics”

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Anonymous OP 11w

Then tell me, in your opinion, what the hammer symbolizes. To me, in context of the poster, the hammer symbolizes the working class, labor, and socialism (or communism). The fact that it’s raised up implies future downward motion, with that motion intersecting with the religious figures. This use of symbols conveys that socialism will beat back religion. I’ve already said this. I’m asking you to explain how you equate the hammer to education.

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Anonymous OP 11w

You say you wouldn’t produce these characters today, but your use of the image in this post and your claims that they are “amusing” show you support these depictions. Stating such stereotypes were products of the past is irrelevant if you continue to support them today. You claim to respect people’s religions. Yet you support negative stereotypes of believers and blaspheme against their gods. That isn’t respect.

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Anonymous OP 11w

If I were to do the same as this poster but replace the worker with Uncle Sam and the figures below with traditional communist/socialist drawings of workers (generic human figures with 1930-50s factory clothing and holding hammers and sickles) you would be OK with that?

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Anonymous OP 11w

I hope you’re joking. Do you think the Soviets were going to build a Tower of Babel and fight God with a hammer? The depictions, rather caricatures, represent believers of those religions and the Soviets symbolically threaten to physically bash them. What do you mean by ethnic minority? That demographic changes depending on where you center. Are you thinking from a Western-centric perspective, global, other?

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Anonymous #3 10w

The caricatures are of the gods of the respective religions, not worshipers. Your media literacy is near zero

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Anonymous #8 10w

“If I completely changed the subjects and meaning would you be ok with that???” Lmao

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Anonymous #10 10w

1.5 to 3 million children (not counting adults) die globally from vaccine preventable illness according to UNICEF. Even if this graphic cites the wrong number, the actual number is likely far greater. These deaths are directly caused by the policies of capitalist governments, as I mentioned these are the direct result of imperialism and wealth extraction from the global south.

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Anonymous #8 10w

Oh I don’t respect your religions at all, just your right to believe them.

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Anonymous OP 10w

I mean if you’re set in that way, that’s fine. At least you’re honest. Not every yellow bug is a bee…

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Anonymous OP 10w

If a poster depicted violence against an imaginary figure that represented something you supported, would you be OK with that?

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Anonymous #8 10w

I don’t “support imaginary figures”given I don’t believe in god

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Anonymous OP 10w

Gawddamn you are one obtuse and contrarian little boy

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Anonymous #8 10w

Or maybe, you are in a tizzy about fictional characters feeling threatened by guy with a hammer 🤭

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Anonymous OP 10w

Are you mentally capable of extending your logic in a way that shows how it might not be beneficial for you in a world where all people express that maxim, or are you just purposefully being obtuse, or maybe do you just not care very much about it?

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Anonymous OP 10w

Alright I admit you had me going with the rage bait. Can’t believe I fell for it 😭😭😭

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Anonymous #3 10w

This may shock you, but I can be against violent imagery against REAL people, while supporting its use against fictional, backwards, and evil characters. If you change the circumstances and go “well why don’t you support this then???” I’m just going to laugh at you 🤭

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Anonymous #8 10w

Low IQ or Bait? Call it.

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Anonymous #3 10w

Given your inability to understand that violent imagery can be fine in some situations and not in others depending on whether or not the subject it's directed at is actually real or imaginary I’d say I’m not exactly the dumb one here

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Anonymous #3 10w

Probs a bit of both. They don’t really seem to know what they’re talking about and contradict themselves, but it’s still good bait.

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Anonymous #8 10w

“I don’t seem to know what I’m talking about” you believe in god lmao 💀. Please point out my contradictions

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Anonymous OP 10w

Dude you can drop the act. We know it’s bait. Great bait, since it was fun arguing, but still bait.

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Anonymous #8 10w

My guy you are the one baiting, you think violent imagery against made up gods is comparable to violent imagery against real people or groups 💀

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Anonymous OP 10w

What violent imagery? The stuff in the poster with the guy raising the hammer? (also FYI I think you’re confusing me with 3).

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Anonymous #8 10w

Nice bait 😉

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Anonymous OP 10w

How does this answer my question if the “violent imagery against made up gods” you reference is the dude swinging a hammer in the initial post?

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