Anonymous OP 4d

and likewise, we’re so afraid to critique when harm is done by our side at risk of seeming like we’re agreeing with our opposites

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Anonymous #1 4d

refer to my first comment under this post

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Anonymous OP 4d

I get what you’re saying but republicans are in a different place. How many prominent conservatives are actually standing up to Trump? Massie and maybe Rand Paul but all relevant republicans just fall in place

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Anonymous OP 4d

You should be proud of yourself 💕 it’s very rare to find free thinkers in our generation

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Anonymous womenfortrump 4d

Ah yes cause Trump supporters are so free thinking lmao

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Anonymous #1 4d

Prominent republicans probably don’t “stand up” to Trump for the exact reason OP says above- many of us (the left included) are too tied to the two party system. A sign to me (and this is just my opinion) that you are also too tied to the two party system is that 1) you think just because our leaders don’t speak out, we wont and 2) you assume that everyone believes there is a reason to “stand up” to Trump just because you believe there’s a reason

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Anonymous #1 4d

these labels are dangerously limiting. if everyone believes conservatives dont speak against trump, then a conservative will feel like speaking out against trump means losing their identity of conservative

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Anonymous womenfortrump 4d

finish our gun debate💔

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Anonymous womenfortrump 4d

I see what you’re saying about me being tied but I hate dems too. Do I think they’re better? 100% but I think they need to be harder on illegal immigration, I’m against abortion and I think they fight way too hard over the trans issue. My problem with your 2 points is 1) Leaders not standing up is one thing, but where is the mass waves of calling for criticism from the right? Genuinely I don’t see it and 2) I believe cause Trump has lied at every turn and betrayals of promises to critique.

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Anonymous womenfortrump 4d

out of curiosity, why do you think your leaders don’t speak out against trump

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Anonymous #1 4d

He tried overturning an election, he hasn’t released the Epstein files, the deficit doesn’t matter anymore I suppose, he is defunding healthcare, he hasn’t ended the war in Ukraine like he said, inflation really isn’t and won’t go down, the economy isn’t improving, his tax cuts for the working class are temporary and political points only. Like that’s the stuff I think yall should critique but there’s way more

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Anonymous OP 4d

Well they surely won’t be accepted into the current Republican Party

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Anonymous #1 4d

First of all I love that you responded respectfully I’m so used to seeing nazi nazi nazi racist fascist 😭. My second point in response to you above addressed why I don’t think there’s massive waves calling for criticism. You believe there are things (all the ones you listed in re to Trump) that are deserving of criticism. While I may agree with some of those things and do in fact criticize them, I have seen republicans disagree with more than enough justification

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Anonymous #1 4d

i fear you need this message more than anyone

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Anonymous womenfortrump 4d

My overall point is that just because you believe there to be things worthy of criticism, doesn’t mean others believe there to be things worthy of criticism. That’s why it doesn’t make sense to you that there aren’t massive waves or criticism because you’re just assuming other people see and interpret things the way you do lol

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Anonymous #1 4d

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Anonymous OP 4d

My point is that the Republican Party needs more criticism of Trump. Every Congress member who was against him has been ran out except massie. I personally think a party that won’t condemn someone who literally tried to overturn an election really need a reality check. And if that makes me crazy or needing of a message then so be it

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Anonymous OP 4d

Omg you’re my gun debate person I knew I liked you

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Anonymous OP 4d

Name one prominent Republican critiquing Trump

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Anonymous #1 4d

substitute whatever label u want. why do you keep generalizing like youre unaware that’s one of the main things im warning against in this post

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Anonymous OP 4d

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Anonymous OP 4d

Cause your post is stupid. You genuinely can’t name one truly prominent politician or media figure critiquing Trump from the right

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Anonymous #1 4d

are you shifting the goal post to “prominent republican”? also is this question presupposing that im expected to know every word every prominent republican has ever said?

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Anonymous womenfortrump 4d

Idk I guess it just feels like we need more push back. I’m not against being a conservative, I just feel like Trump is an awful man to follow and die on such a hill for. But at least you’re respectful so thank you

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Anonymous OP 4d

Well I guess it was shifting the goal post a while back to Trump specifically but my original claim was about their conspiracies. The goal post was shifted to a different debate within the debate

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Anonymous #1 4d

which group are we talking about, public/prominent republicans, or conspiracy theory conservatives?

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Anonymous #1 4d

You were disguising yourself as someone with common sense so I regret having taken part in this conversation with you

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Anonymous OP 4d

Depends on where you want to take it in the context of your post. But both are harmful in their own ways

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Anonymous #1 4d

please try seeing this whole conversation from a new perspective. you have continuously done the exact things i warned against. you cannot assume the majority speaks for the one, or that the one speaks for the majority

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Anonymous womenfortrump 4d

I mean I think I have common sense. You want inflation to go down? Don’t impose inflationary economic actions on the nation via tariffs. Which side thought the 2020 election was rigged and then tried stopping the certification? Which party is supposedly pro cop but then pardoned those who beat them? Which side sings about standing up to china but then pauses tariffs every time? Who wants to balance the budget but then cuts trillions in tax revenue? Who preaches about being prolife but then will

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Anonymous #1 4d

Defund healthcare for the poor? WHO says they believe in the 2nd amendment but then want to take guns from a group based on what, like 5 shooters. Which party preaches strength but then angers allies and destroys soft power? Who said Biden’s administration was unqualified but has inexperienced loyalists as apart of his administration? Who preaches about big gov but then literally sends the military to enforce our laws? Doesn’t seem like common sense lmao

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Anonymous OP 4d

My guy NOBODY IS CRITICIZING TRUMP ENOUGH. You can’t both sides this when one person after a major political assassination is using inflammatory language, breaking promises and lying. Yes some leftists are defines exactly how you say. I never say Nazi cause it’s innacruatr but there’s a reason Kamala Harris got more support from Republican politicians compared to other democratic Candidates, because one side is making a group of its own members extinct

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Anonymous #1 4d

bro, its like every time you respond im made aware just how little you understand what im saying

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Anonymous #1 4d

I think your understanding of each of these issues is based on surface level information that you probably saw on here or on TikTok lol. Debunking each of the points you just made is entirely possible and I think OP would agree too. Also no shade but your understanding of temporary tariffs, their general purpose, and why exactly they are placed and paused on china is just entirely incorrect lol

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Anonymous #1 4d

for context, im a definite liberal. i think trump has ruined the brains of this country and (amongst) others is a catalyst for some of the things i hate, fear, and cringe at most abt my country. and in my original post i agreed ppl not criticize him enough. and then i said why i think that is… that people dangerously assume noone can criticize their own party/leaders of their party without losing their identity of conservative/ republican etc

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Anonymous womenfortrump 4d

Mhm yep deflect and run, classic. Trump clearly has demonstrated he has no understanding of tariffs. Are they meant to bring jobs back or make new deals? He already tried in his first term and guess what happened? A bail out of farmers. Plus do you deny his tariffs are inflationary? Why the hell are we eroding soft power by placing tariffs on allies? I mean hell, we’ve already seen GDP contraction, business layoffs due to uncertainty and no deal with china made. Targeted tariffs are one thing

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Anonymous #1 4d

But this is some of the dumbest economics ever and there’s a reason every major economist agrees

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Anonymous #1 4d

I MEAN HELL. Bessent literally had to rush to the White House to convince Trump not to keep the liberation day tariffs lmao

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Anonymous OP 4d

I think people can’t criticize Trump in a way where they say “I don’t support him point black” without being black listed. Can I get an example of major condemnation and a lack of support from him expect former congressmen and like Thomas massie

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Anonymous #1 4d

I’m not deflecting or running I’m just attempting to show you that what you believe to be true, is not absolutely true and is in fact up for debate. I think your understanding is wrong of tariffs is wrong! And I think trumps last term is proof of that! Here lies a legitimate example of how and why people are less willing to criticize Trump than you are. Your opinion is not fact. Neither is mine, I’m just using this to prove the overarching point of this post

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Anonymous #1 4d

i agree partially in that i dont trust trump to rlly know what he’s doing…..and i don’t like that he’s gambling with the American people’s well being when so many of us r alrdy struggling… i also know these tariffs are a bargaining business strategy. he’s capitalizing off his image of being dumb and reckless, to where the world leaders may believe he’s fully willing to enter us into a lose/lose situation, hoping he can “negotiate the tariffs away” in exchange for legislation that benefits the US

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Anonymous womenfortrump 4d

Lol help my typos ignore

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Anonymous womenfortrump 4d

You still can’t explain why I’m wrong. The tariffs last term according to most studies found a net loss of jobs

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Anonymous #1 4d

my comment above will explain a possible theory

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Anonymous OP 4d

You can say that but there’s reckless layout causing uncertainty and panic, alienation of soft power, job killings, rising prices are all indications of failure imo

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Anonymous #1 4d

actually lemme word that better. ur right, the tariffs themselves are a lose/lose situation for us and whatever country they’re on. i don’t believe the “businesses will have to move to america” BS either. i think he’s a risky business man who’s deciding to gamble with the largest economy in the world, in order to try and negotiate better long term trade deals for the U.S. i still don’t support it tho cause it still puts us in harder times in the short-run, and many people cannot afford ts

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Anonymous OP 4d

Okay I actually then agree to an extent. I want to clarify that I don’t think that Trump didn’t support them, I just think it’s illogical personally. Honestly I think I just got heated. Times are tough politically rn and I’ve had a bad day. I see what you’re trying to say, I just feel like we need to hold our politicians more accountable, and I do agree both sides in general need to be better

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Anonymous OP 4d

i think it is comparable to what people fear about socialism…. is the potential good for society worth suppressing some people’s right to economic stability in the short term

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