Anonymous OP 11w

If you truly and utterly believe the reason Trump won is due to the voter base and not the complete and utter failure that was the Biden and Kamala campaign at convincing voters they would do anything to provide any fucking change from an already unpopular presidency you don’t understand politics at more than a team sport level

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Anonymous #3 11w

HAHAHA this is golden… If you really think the Biden Harris administration was bad because it was unpopular amongst statistically the LEAST educated demographic then YOU do not understand politics

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Anonymous #4 11w

I mean yes it’s B for most people but no shit the American populations fucking stupid, that’s why the majority of the blame should go to the fucking dogshit campaign that failed to beat a fucking rapist. Voter blaming just turns people off from what you’re talking about

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Anonymous #5 11w

I mean the reason I would call them bad is different then a fucking republican, rn I’m talking about how there campaign was dogshit and instead of alienating the base and trying to be republican lites they could have won if they kept any of the early progressive vibes with Walz and shit, but she sucked off the corporate donors as soon as they got mad

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Anonymous #3 11w

And if you read my comment Trump winning is Kamala’s fault lol they weren’t going to win over the people thinking she’s a communist illegal immigrant lover, so idk why she brought out a war criminals daughter to be besties with and relied only on celebrities endorsements rather than coming up with any policies that would activate the voters bases desire for change

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Anonymous #3 11w

You can downvote me but until people realize that establishment democrats are useless controlled opposition that failed to beat a pedophile rapist because they truly don’t care about winning, facism will be alive in America

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Anonymous #3 11w

I’m not here to soothe a voters bruised ego, that’s a politicians job. I’m just going to say the truth and the truth is that there is zero good justification for someone to vote for trump and pretty much everyone who did is probably kinda politically dumb to put it nicely. Be mad at the Biden campaign all you want, I am too, but the fact is that we are democracy and the voters reflect how we are as a country, and we should all be fucking ashamed by what we chose.

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Anonymous #3 11w

Fascism is going to be around so long as American voters allow it. I don’t think treating them like infantile babies who can do no wrong is a good idea.

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Anonymous #4 11w

Yeah I can think trump voters are stupid but voter blamings also kinda dumb and unproductive. As like in this OP fails to consider why people weren’t activated in the election allowing for Trump to win

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Anonymous #4 11w

It was an open book test and some of these voters struggled to write their names

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Anonymous #4 11w

Dude I’m not fucking saying that all I’m saying is voter blaming comes off as annoying and is counter productive to literally any argument your going to try and make

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Anonymous #3 11w

And that no real change is gonna happen in this country if people don’t demand change from the dems lol as they are rn they are corporate controlled opposition

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Anonymous #3 11w

Okay then we’re just doomed as a country, if we want to treat voters like babies and democrats have to be perfect messianic figures or else voters will vote for a narcissistic two year old who wants ti destroy everything then fine. Good luck guys, it’s going to be a great future ahead of us.

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Anonymous #4 11w

Then run an actual campaign against them, don’t try to win them to your side

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Anonymous #3 11w

Again it’s a politicians job to coddle the voters, we’re ordinary voters who made the right choice and we can and should shame the idiots who voted to set everything on fire.

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Anonymous bongo_fury 11w

Wdym

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Anonymous #3 11w

you overestimate the intelligence of the average trump supporter.

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Anonymous #4 11w

Be more angry at a party that won’t be effective against fascism than you are at a population. If you’re mad at a group of people as a collective then you aren’t accomplishing anything. Your feeling means nothing and it’s unproductive. You’re yelling into a void. Anger should be directed against the most powerful actor who is most directly responsible for the issue.

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Anonymous bongo_fury 11w

Someone fucking gets it

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Anonymous #4 11w

If you’re going to make some objectively unpopular 80 year old your vanguard against fascism, and you’re not going to have a competitive primary and then you replace him with somebody else halfway through the campaign, and you’re not going to promise any significant deviation from the current, deeply unpopular direction that the country is going, and then after all of that you’re going to expect everybody to vote for you because you got the Cheneys on your side. Congratulations.

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Anonymous bongo_fury 11w

And then you lose! If a party does all of that and then they lose, then it’s their own fault they lost. They deserve to be blamed. And they need to be stopped by any means from making the same mistakes again in 2028 because I promise you, they will.

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Anonymous #3 11w

“Voter blaming is annoying” tell that to the people that have been killed, detained, raped, and deported bc of ice. Tell that to the trans, gay, and LGBT+ people losing or having their rights challenged every day. Tell that to the black and people of color in this country experiencing systemic oppression and racism since and before this country’s founding. Imagine how “annoying” that must be.

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Anonymous #10 11w

Wow and maybe all that shit wouldn’t be happening if Kamala and Joe Biden actually wanted to win an election instead of get rich off book deals and corporate donors 😱

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Anonymous #10 11w

And you do know like a lot of this shit isn’t unique to Trump right? Like Obama locked up more kids in cages than Trump has

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Anonymous #3 11w

And what’s the sitting Cheeto Nazi doing w our tax dollars? Making him and all his buddies rich. Your logic is so fucking STUPID

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Anonymous #10 11w

Omfg ofc trumps fucking evil no fucking shit, the argument here is STOP RUNNING DOGSHIT CAMPAIGNS AND EXPECTING TO WIN OFF LESSER EVIV VOTING ALONE

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Anonymous #3 11w

More than a third of the country might show up to vote if the two options aren’t a rapist pedophile and a bitch copying the rapist pedophiles ideas

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Anonymous #3 11w

i think what we’re seeing here is a positive vs. normative debate. normatively, voters should inform themselves. they should do research and they should make rational choices based on that. in this world, we can blame voters for either not doing those things or being bigoted. positively, this is NOT the reality we live in (mostly). most voters do not adequately inform themselves. thus, some responsibility falls on the parties as well. neither worlds are 100% reality or 100% falsehood.

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Anonymous #11 11w

Well yeah and when the systems designed to be sports politics and when you dig any bit into American politics you see death and carnage from both sides people tend to become apathetic

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Anonymous #3 11w

You don’t think trump is that bad if you think Obama, Biden or Harris are anywhere near as bad. I bet you didn’t vote or voted for him. It’s your kind who are destroying everything btw. Oh and I like how you call Harris a ‘bitch’, that’s a nice dose of misogyny for good measure!

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Anonymous #11 11w

blame can be put on all parties. it is the voters’ faults. they should have known better. they should have been smart enough to do the research. but the DNC also knew they probably wouldn’t and still failed epically. they also get some blame. but yes, EVERYONE gets blame. voters don’t get to run off blamelessly.

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Anonymous bongo_fury 11w

No thanks. I’ll be mad at half of the country who want to destroy the lives of women, minorities, and hope lgbtq people commit suicide so they don’t have to see a gay person on tv or whatever. And if you’re the person who abstains from voting or thinks both sides are just as bad, then fuck you too! Plus the fact you think voter blaming is annoying makes me think you feel guilty about it.

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Anonymous #3 11w

i see your point about voter blaming turning people off. yes, we can try to package it more nicely. objectively, though, yes. it is their fault.

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Anonymous #4 11w

Then I hope that one day you decide to do something useful with your time.

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Anonymous #4 11w

To be clear the Biden/Harris campaigns were fucking terrible and awful and I get your point. But they were then times better then the “eating cats and dogs” campaign and I’m not going to pretend like the voters have no blame even if you guys are because maybe you are trump voters idk

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Anonymous bongo_fury 11w

And I hope you feel good protecting the poor maga voters 🥺 I hope you are making good contributions in politics otherwise I recommend you just disengage completely

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Anonymous #4 11w

I don’t care about the maga voters. I am entirely focused on making my side better, and you should be too

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Anonymous bongo_fury 11w

I do but even if they aren’t perfect I still want them to win instead of making life in this country hell for so many. And again I can want the dem party to change and ultimately place blame on this country being bigoted and stupid af at the same time. I know we have to appeal to the idiots so I hope there’s ways ppl not as pissed at them as I am can do

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Anonymous #4 11w

I voted for Kamala and yes idc I’ll call a woman a bitch lol she’s a woman whose career was being top cop and prosecuting minorities lol, no I don’t think Obama Kamala and Biden are worse than Trump I was pointing out that American politics is uniparty in those areas

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Anonymous #4 11w

And again Kamala could’ve won in a landslide if she did anything remotely progressive, her entire campaign was im not Trump but I’m gonna do Trump things, why tf would republicans vote for a diet republican

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Anonymous #3 11w

I wish she and the dems were much more progressive but there’s no chance she would’ve won in a landslide if the country wanted to vote in the most fascistic non progressive candidate ever. Also maybe don’t call women bitches? It’s kind of ehh

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Anonymous #4 11w

What other inflammatory language would you prefer I call the genocide supporting corporate loving presidential candidate. I want one word

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Anonymous #3 11w

“A demon” “A piece of shit” “evil” “trash person” there’s lots of other mean words I’m sure you think of besides just having bitch and cunt on the mind

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Anonymous #3 11w

true, you made a good point about the harris-walz campaign that i think was downvoted unfairly. they failed to do anything more than “vote for me because im not him.” key word here is campaign, not the biden-harris administration as mentioned by #5. biggest issue with the harris-walz campaign was appealing to the independent voter base. they did very little to appeal to such a broad demographic. as soon as the butler, PA trump rally unfolded, i firmly believe that was where trump won, sadly.

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Anonymous #3 11w

“Blaming voters is annoying” people are dying because of those votes. So yeah, I’m blaming the fucking voters

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Anonymous #3 11w

You call trump evil but you call Kamala bitch. Yeah okay bro

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Anonymous #1 11w

They voted for a pedophile who is making nearly everyones lives worse

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Anonymous #3 11w

Having the right to vote means having the responsibility to inform yourself in what you are voting for. If you fail to do that, and you lead us down this path, then I am going to blame you because it was fucking open book test after they release project 2025

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Anonymous #11 11w

They stand for nothing

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Anonymous OP 11w

i don’t fully understand why some are saying “don’t blame the voters” when you clearly can both blame the voters while still pointing towards other things that also contributed (more or less so than the voting population). this rodeo happened once already from 2016-2020, and the voters who voted for him, both republican and independent, are surprised about this? “the end of war in the middle east” should be enough to prove that those who enabled his presidency both times fell for it yet again

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Anonymous #12 11w

I don’t either bro like these are nuanced issues 😭😭 like objectively the democrats had an awful campaign but Trumps was vocally evil and he has lied about almost everything. Kamala wouldn’t have been a good president but she at least carried herself with any semblance of respect for the constitution

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Anonymous OP 11w

100% agreed. kamala would’ve been digestible, at maximum. i don’t think she would’ve been very good, but some of the shit trump has done in office is just baffling. from the get go, he said that he would run for office in 2028, which clearly violates the 22nd amendment. i see homes with “2028 trump” flags and really wonder how someone could proudly hang that. voters, campaigns, the recency of biden’s admin (wasn’t bad, but wasn’t that good), and the surge of republican pride all contributed.

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Anonymous #12 11w

And the republican pride was aided by a bunch of aura moments, both stages and totally-not-staged

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Anonymous #1 11w

Staged**

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Anonymous bongo_fury 11w

I’ve been contemplating how to argue your points, but I’ve realized the issue isn’t your points exactly, it’s where all of the blame is being pointed. To an extent it is the democrats fault themselves and you’re totally right, they should be ashamed. People are demanding accountability and nothing is being done. Equally to blame though is the voter who chose to allow the worst of two evils to prevail. It’s the difference between a potentially “meh” presidency and a march toward fascism that we

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Anonymous #13 11w

Have been placed into given Trump. I do think there needs to be reforms and many things done to ensure this doesn’t happen again, but I also think a certain level of blame MUST go to the people who allowed this to happen.

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Anonymous #13 11w

Yesss normativity vs positivity!!

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Anonymous #13 11w

THISSSS

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Anonymous #13 11w

It shouldn’t have taken a lot of persuading to beg people to vote against Trump in a meaningful way

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Anonymous #1 11w

I mean we all agreed Trump-Lite was bad (first admin) so why did we allow him to do it a second time? This time scorned from a “stolen” election and OPENLY talking about keeping power? He is literally building a bunker under the White House to barricade himself in 😭

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Anonymous #13 11w

good point! biggest issue that plagued the vote last election cycle was recency effect. the economy wasn’t great during the biden admin (not really their fault, honestly it fell under circumstance), and there were a lot of issues that people were considering, especially immigration/border control. people see a bad economy, high gas prices, etc., and they won’t research why those things are happening, but just that the opposition is offering a “solution.” voters can be very easily persuaded.

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