US Politics on Sidechat | It is objective fact that Israel’s existence creates tension in the Middle East. Combined with Israeli aggression and lack of any regard for international law the Israeli state poses a threat far greater than any other in the region.

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It is objective fact that Israel’s existence creates tension in the Middle East. Combined with Israeli aggression and lack of any regard for international law the Israeli state poses a threat far greater than any other in the region.

Anonymous 8w

At this point I think the only solution to the holy land problem is to make a new Vatican-style micronation that represents the interests of the main 3 abrahamic religions, they all lay claim to the land so they should be forced to share it

Anonymous 8w

It is an objective fact that Hamas’s existence creates tension in the Middle East. Combined with Hamas aggression and lack of regard for international law, the Hamas terrorists pose a threat to Israel and Gaza civilians

Anonymous 8w

Arab states are not entitled to another state’s annihilation just because they don’t like Jews. Stop treating Arabs like actual babies and demand that they coexist with the community of nations.

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Anonymous

#1 8w

Hamas wouldn’t exist without Israel

Anonymous

#2 8w

Does that matter? Hamas’s mission is to destroy the state of Israel, and they don’t care about Civilian lives when they do it

Anonymous

#1 8w

Neither has Israel cared throughout its history.

Anonymous

#2 8w

I just think it’s disingenuous to only focus on the bad things that Israel has done

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Anonymous

#1 8w

Is it disingenuous to focus only on the bad things Nazi Germany did?

Anonymous

#2 8w

The Nazi were not provoked by a terrorist organization attacking their civilian population. The Nazis did not allow international aid into Poland

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Anonymous

#1 8w

The Nazis actually did claim German speakers in the Sudetenland and Austria were under threat, kinda like how Israel says the same about Jews in Lebanon and Syria just to illegally annex those countries’ sovereign territory

Anonymous

OP 8w

I’ll take your word for it, and that’s something I disagree with, I think the opportunistic land grabbing of Israel should be stopped, but my point was more that Israel allows international aid into Gaza, and that they were provoked by a terrorist attack so I don’t consider them to be the same as Nazi Germany

Anonymous

#1 8w

Israel has put up constant roadblocks to aid that they’ve been legally mandated to allow in. They often delay or disallow aid shipments carrying basic food, fuel, and medical supplies. They’ve also worked with gangs within Gaza to raid aid convoys. Let’s not pretend they aren’t actively trying to reduce the population via slow starvation and malnutrition+lack of medical care

Anonymous

#1 8w

Netanyahu also had foreknowledge of the attacks, this isn’t even a conspiracy theory anymore it’s acknowledged by mainstream media sources

Anonymous

#2 8w

Even if that’s true (Anthony Blinken disagrees), that doesn’t excuse the actions of Hamas, they still killed civilians.

Anonymous

#2 8w

I agree that Israel has done wrong things, probably several war crimes, but even so, they do still allow aid into Gaza. I don’t think there’s been enough deaths from malnutrition to constitute it as an intentional means of killing civilians. Also Hamas has been know to attack at aid sites

Anonymous

#1 8w

Yes they’ve committed a major war crime called genocide

Anonymous

#1 8w

And it’s still ongoing, they kill people almost daily still

Anonymous

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Anonymous

#1 8w

I think it’s also historically important to note that Nazi Germany claimed that Jews wanted to genocide all Germans, and they justified this by propagandizing the book “Germany Must Perish!” written by American Jew Theodore N. Kaufman. They claimed his proposal to sterilize all Germans was a plot by all Jews. Turkey similarly claimed that Armenians wanted to genocide Turks.

Anonymous

#1 8w

I notice that you’re also leaving out that when Gazans peacefully protested in 2018, the IDF gunned them down, killing over 200 and injuring thousands. And the IDF didn’t take action to prevent the October 7 attack despite warnings by Egypt and the UAE. And Israel facilitated Hamas’s rise to power in the first place to weaken the moderate Palestinian Authority government.

Anonymous

#4 8w

What is happening in Palestine right now is actually an extremely common settler colonial pattern historically. I was actually taught this cycle in a Plains Indians class, but I immediately recognized the pattern. Settlers encroach on native land, and their violence against native people is left unpunished. Eventually the natives become so desperate that they attack the settler group. This then justifies more violent displacement and is met with overwhelming force by the settler state.

Anonymous

#4 8w

Does that justify the attack on the settler group? No. Massacre attacks are wrong. But ultimately the settler encroachment led to the radicalization of the native population in the first place. This pattern occurred in Australia, New Zealand, the USA, Namibia, Canada, South Africa, Russia, Kenya, Algeria, Argentina, Mexico, and now Palestine.