Anonymous #1 25w

It generally means post-enlightenment Western European and American cultural and political thought A bit of a proxy for a nondescript “white culture”

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Anonymous OP 25w

Western political thought has kinda been a net positive for humanity as a whole. The enlightenment brought on secularism.

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Anonymous #2 25w

that doesn't mean it's morally wrong not to like it

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Anonymous #2 25w

How do you define net positive? (Hard mode: without self-referring to Western ideals)

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Anonymous OP 25w

i mean humanity is better off than it was in any other point in history

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Anonymous #4 25w

Same question I asked #2: how are you defining better off (without just relying on Western secular assumptions)

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Anonymous #4 25w

It has never been more directionless and nihilistic than any other point in history

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Anonymous OP 25w

humans aren’t dying. humans can prevent dying. that’s better off as a species. life expectancy is up. nothing in that has to do with western values.

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Anonymous #4 25w

By what means is it justified that living longer is Good? There are many eastern philosophies that hold living to be suffering, and therefore a longer life not to be good.

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Anonymous OP 25w

by means of evolution. my means of survival. if you’re to look at humanity objectively, you can’t look at eastern or western beliefs. humans kill humans at lower rates.

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Anonymous OP 25w

Western societies are debatably the most inclusive in the world. You are more free to live life the way you want and say what you want. Western countries are more democratic and have more leisure time on average than non-western countries.

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Anonymous #4 25w

What do you mean “by means of evolution”? Thats not a way of knowing, whats a process. Thats like saying “how do we know this water in the cup is good to drink?”..”because the water cycle!”. If humans killing each other at lower rates is universally Good, then North Korea is a very good state, because their regime makes the murder rate quite low

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Anonymous #6 25w

Why is inclusivity a Good? If you had a society that allowed all things at all times, it would be maximally inclusive, and total anarchy in a literal sense

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Anonymous #6 25w

Why is leasure time inherently a Good? Youre not justifying any of these, just treating it as self evident (because youre using a Western POV)

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it’s a yik yak comment section. i don’t care that much about it 😂 if you want to check you can see yourself

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Anonymous OP 25w

you can’t be that ignorant. if that’s what you think my position is then i don’t know what to tell you

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Anonymous #4 25w

Please elaborate on your meaning then “youre ignorant about my argument, you should just know it!” isnt good discussion

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Anonymous OP 25w

i'm not speaking anything of western or eastern societies. i agree with your original post. all im saying is that it is undeniable from a species survival perspective that we are better off now than we have been in all of human history. the number one priority for every living thing on earth is live. despite all of the bad in the current world, we are doing exponentially better from a species standpoint

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i’m not defending western society

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dude, i don’t care enough to find sources from a fucking class a years ago

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i suppose i should clarify that yes. i was referring to humanity being net positive

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see my comment above^

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Anonymous #4 25w

What does it mean for a species to survive better? Number of individuals? If so, bacteria do best. Biomass? Then insects. Lifespan? Trees are the best How do you qualify what is better off for a species?

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Anonymous OP 25w

Additionally, why is survival the purpose of life? Many things are quick to die, like cicadas. Is it genome reproduction? Then viruses are the ultimate psuedo-life form

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Anonymous OP 25w

not dying. my argument is very very simple lol. every living things goal is to live and reproduce. we all have different timeframes we do that in

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Anonymous #4 25w

If that is true, then are people who are homosexual or asexual not human? Are they fundamentally missing the purpose of life? Additionally, if reproducing is a Good, then contraception is bad. A more developed society would ban it, and also should encourage childbearing at the earliest possible age to maximize reproduction. If lifespan is a Good, then Glass Sponges, who live up to 15k years are the most Good thing there is.

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Anonymous #4 25w

You also haven’t given justification for why they are good other than an appeal to nature fallacy

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Anonymous OP 25w

dude. you are taking my argument way too far. i’m not talking about people. all i am saying is that humanity is better off now than anytime in human history.

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we’re not closer than human history. 99% of humans were killed almost 1,000,000 years ago. for like 100,000 years our population was that low. climate change is absolutely real and absolutely destroying the planet. but i have full faith that humanity has the ability to “reverse” (loosely using that word) climate change. it will take centuries and lots of coordination, but if humans want to, we will. i do believe that we eventually will

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Anonymous OP 25w

I’ll give you example. I live in New England. I work and live with people of wildly different ideals and belief systems. Yet we all get along.

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you’re well within your rights to believe that

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yes, all of that is correct

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