Anonymous #1 7w

If it's meant to be, then it will be

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Anonymous #1 7w

Gods love is so conditional lmao

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Anonymous #2 7w

But it’s not?

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Is there anything your mom could do that would make it moral to separate her from her family for decades at a time, knowing that she’ll be alone and miss them the entire time?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Sure it is! Heaven is a reward

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It’s not loaded just because you say it is. I reject that idea, the question exists purely to contest your logic So, is there?

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I’m specifically referring to missing family. Not any practices. Don’t misrepresent my question

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I’m saying nothing about practice or God. Quote in my question where I mention either.

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Anonymous #2 7w

No heaven isn’t a reward, it is a knowing choice. It is your choice to not follow Jesus and God. God still loves you and created you with a purpose, he gave us free will to make the choice to be with him or not. Love without free will isn’t love, it’s domination.

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Anonymous #2 7w

The way you are putting this is out of context in a way, if in the view you are saying the mom is going to heaven, then it is her choice same as the families.

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No it’s not. It’s meant to contest the idea of what is considered love in your eyes. Again, misrepresentation of my question. Are you refusing to answer?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Let me ask, why is a sin, immoral?

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Anonymous #2 7w

Because it is against Gods wishes. But that being said, you are directly choosing to sin, God gives us a way to rebuke our sin, and that is through choosing Jesus, to amend the relationship between us and God is through Jesus. You can sin but always can be forgiven if you truly wish and go to be forgiven.

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It would be loaded if I was assuming a premise about God in any way. My question pertains to you, the limitation of your love and what you deem as moral in reference to a moral system you derive from your religion. Nothing about that is loaded unless you intend to intentionally misconstrue the explicit point I am clarifying

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Anonymous #1 7w

And why is it bad to not do what your God wants?

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Anonymous #2 7w

I feel like you just answered your own question, it is God you follow, if you don’t want to do what God wants then that is your choice not to, you don’t have to follow Him. But that doesn’t mean he stops loving you.

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Explain the missing context and rephrase my question in a way that’s not loaded but still contests your logic/worldview

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Anonymous #1 7w

That wasn’t an answer from you though. Why is it bad? I didn’t ask if it was a choice

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Anonymous #2 7w

Nobody ever said it is bad, it is just against Gods will, everyone has their own morals and beliefs.

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None of that was actually a response to the thing I just asked you to do Articulate the missing context from my question and then rephrase the question so it’s “good faith” but still contests your worldview. If you’re able to do that, then it shows that the question was logically flawed but if you’re not, it shows you worldview is taking precedent and perceiving it to be when it very well could not be

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That’s not what my question is contesting. I’m not asking about what she could do to make you make the choice, I’m asking about the morality of the choice

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Anonymous #1 7w

So then it’s not objectively bad to not listen to God? So sins are arbitrary in terms of if they’re bad or not

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Because it’s also not just about you. A key portion of my question references the separation of her family, her loved ones.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Like I said people have different definitions of bad. If you don’t listen to Gods will, don’t expect to go to heaven. Sin is, in Gods terms bad, but humanity has created their own morals. Do with that as you will.

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Anonymous #1 7w

There it is, if you don’t listen to God, you can’t get into heaven. That’s a condition.

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Anonymous #2 7w

No that’s a choice? Sinning does not automatically you won’t go to heaven, the choice to follow Jesus and apologize for your sins is how you get into heaven.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Setting rules and standards of behaviors is saying you’re not tolerating something, passing those rules and standards is conditional upon you choosing to follow them but that’s still conditional in nature

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Nothing about missing someone implies guilt or seeking forgiveness. That’s a false dichotomy

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Anonymous #2 7w

By your logic all laws are conditional. Every rule ever created are conditional.

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Anonymous #2 7w

It is your choice to break said rules.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Yes that’s what rules are. A restricting or modifying factor. You can’t do X if you want this outcome, is quite literally a condition. The choice is on the person (though in this case not even really) but there have to be restrictive behaviors you cannot engage in if you want the outcome that comes through these modifying factors

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Anonymous #1 7w

And what are rules?

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Not true. People miss their loved ones that have passed, where is the guilt in that sentence, that doesn’t assume guilt inherently?

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Repeat what you think my question is.

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Okay, your interpretation of my question is wrong. I’m now saying that explicitly

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Anonymous #2 7w

What the rulers choose it to be. All of this does not change the fact that Gods love is unconditional. God loves all even if they sin. That doesn’t mean he will let them into heaven just because he loves you. I see what you are doing and I will correct myself, Heaven is conditional, Gods love is not. Heaven does not = Gods love. Heaven means you are reaching out and choosing God after he always chose you.

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You’re qualifying portions I never stated.

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Anonymous #1 7w

What is a rule, define it the best you know how to.

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No that’s the analogy you are going for. Not the one I’m going for. I’m telling you you’re wrong, would you like correction?

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Would you like a correction?

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Would you like a correction or not?

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Anonymous #2 7w

No? Nothing to say?

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