
I feel like people who ask that have a lot of propaganda informing that question that has to be detangled first tbh, I don’t necessarily find them all that blameworthy for asking since that’s all our media tends to feed people who are too busy with the rest of their lives to really look into things further. I think for one pointing to the actual scripture encouraging non violence outside defensive measures with explicit outlines to not harm civilians or even trees is a big one. There are no
Formally outlined rules of engagement in war in the Bible to the same degree as the Quran and Hadith. Showing this and the whole letting people go if they surrender, treating POWs the same as you treat yourself, etc. all do a good job of showing Islam is pretty sensible and nonviolent outside self defense. Then saying people are not religions, people do crazy things all the time. I don’t blame Christianity for killing millions in European/American wars, so applying that same standard to Islam
Yeah definitely the violence and a genocidal tendency of our country. We’ve had multiple people try shooting up or bombing my mosque since I was a kid. A lot of the rhetoric is funded by people with an interest in making Islam demonized, distorted, and acted violently upon. Evil has a tendency to hate truth, par for course
Lol so funnily enough hijab is actually better for the heat, it protects your scalp from the sun and ventilates a pocket of air above your head to be cooler. This combined with looser clothing all over your body is better for keeping a microclimate of air that pushes hot air out, the chimney effect in physics. It’s better for the cold too for obvious reasons. Just change the fabrics for the weather like you would anyway
(This is the same reason people will wear pashminas at music festivals, good way to avoid getting stuff in your hair that might tangle it too). You also only need to wear hijab if you’re around men outside of your family. So if you’re going to a women’s only event you can wear whatever
Well there are two views on Islam, one that this claim is false and that Aisha RA was 19 when they married (this is the view the scholars of my community take). The other is that she was 6 at the age of betrothal and 9-13 at the age of consummation at the point a woman in tribal societies considered an adult (a period). For this second view, no one ever even thought to criticize the prophet pbuh for it until the 20th century despite there being plenty of crazy people who hated Islam and
Made up lies to criticize him for in the 13 centuries prior to the 20th. This tells us there is a moral change by the time of industrialization that did not exist prior, and that to level such a critique is intellectually dishonest since it engages in presentism, ie applying current standards to previous times where they are not relevant
Regardless, neither view has an effect on Islamic views of permissibility in marriage. For a woman to marry in islam, she must be physically, mentally, and socially mature, consent to the marriage herself, have her guardian consent to the marriage (there must be a legitimate reason to withhold consent like doubting the morality or ability to take care of his daughter from the suitor or else he can be overruled), for it to follow the laws of the society, & be according to Islamic general standard
Al Ahzab roughly translates to the confederates, more on that later. Firstly I’d say too many people unrooted in Islam as an epistemological enterprise read the Qur'an as a flat, ahistorical text. They treat a 7th century transactional law as if it were a timeless moral ideal. This is a profound mistake. God does not speak in a vacuum. God spoke into a specific historical reality, and if you do not understand that reality, you will inevitably defile the moral beauty of the divine message. Ie you
Get out the same mentality you try injecting in. Okay now back to Al Ahzab, this is revealed during the battle of the trench. A battle where a confederacy of about 15,000 arab soldiers from various tribes are marching on Medina to kill all the Muslims, after driving them out of their homes and torturing/killing them in Mecca already. The Muslims have dug trenches around the city as a defense, while they have been getting starved to death by the confederacy for months through a blockade. During
This period, the Muslims are tying large rocks to their stomachs to avoid the cramping pains that come with deep starvation. There are under 2,000 of them mounting a defense of this desert city against 15,000. It is the 600s, in a tribal desert society, so do keep in mind this world is not like what most of us know today. In the brutal theater of tribal warfare, there were no Geneva Conventions, no state-run pow camps, and no international human rights organizations
The category known as Ma Malakat Aymanukum or “those whom your right hands possess” was not an institution invented by Islam. Islam inherited a savage, globally ubiquitous system of slavery and human captivity. What the Qur'an did was step into that ugly reality to humanize, regulate, and systematically dismantle it. By integrating captives directly into recognized households, the law gave them a protected legal status, social placement, & avenues toward complete emancipation. It was essentially
That society’s version of jails and refugee systems mixed up with Mediterranean slavery practices. What the Quran brings in is that these pows turned slaves had to be treated the same way one treats themselves with the same clothing and lifestyle they take up. This is a desert tribal society that’s already starving and has no real modern infrastructure, in that time this allows for these captives to live alongside the meager resources of the society. If one wanted to marry one of these people
Unlike in other societies a marriage contract needed to drafted for the person from this category into what is termed what the right hand possesses, providing legal protections the same as a free woman is entitled to. Now, to your specific question: Is verse 33:50 referring directly to the prophet pbuh’s own household’s women? Yes. The text is explicit. It begins, “O Prophet, We have made lawful to you...” This is a highly specific, personalized piece of divine legislation
It explicitly outlines the boundaries of the Prophet’s household, defining which relatives who migrated with him, which wives, and which war captives he is permitted to have relationships with. In fact, the verse goes on to clarify that certain allowances are a “privilege yours alone to the exclusion of other believers” .” Why was this personal address necessary? Because as the leader of a nascent state in a state of total war, the Prophet's domestic alliances and his household were matters of
intense geopolitical consequence and constant internal gossip by political hypocrites. Take the historical example of Maria al-Qibtiyya (Maria the Copt). She was sent to the Prophet pbuh as a diplomatic gift from the ruler of Egypt. He did not treat her as a piece of property or a disposable concubine. He brought her into his household with dignity. When she gave birth to his son, Ibrahim, she automatically attained the status of Umm al-Walad, meaning she was guaranteed absolute freedom
This historical trajectory was designed to elevate the human soul out of the degradation of bondage. Unfortunately, bereft of wisdom idiotic and extremist movements like ISIS or Boko Haram (fomented by Zionists) look at verses like 33:50 and claim that “spoils of war” and sex slavery somehow rights in Islam and that they live in the same context as a morally corrupt pagan wartorn society that Islam in fact came to purify away from its moral diseases. Such views are blasphemous
The taking of war captives, concubinage, & slavery are strictly haram today. The illation or legal underlying justification for these policies were only rooted in the specific historical reality of ancient warfare. Today, humanity has progressed to something morally better. To use a verse meant to regulate a historical crisis as a license for modern human trafficking is to completely lose the ethical compass of the Islamic message that the prophet pbuh came with and embodied
The reason I believe it’s under so much scrutiny is Islam is the only major religion today you still see Imams across the globe still touting something akin to sex slavery as part of the religion. It could be argued after reading the Epstein files, those who practice “the deep things of Satan” still aim for such goals, but as you pointed out relative to the Geneva convention, camps, international human rights groups (I was a part of several, hence my observation) as they exist today, for 1/2
Overall yes, Sunni orthodoxy views Muslim “leadership” post Rashiddun caliphate rather dubiously. In fact many curse said people as they were operatives of a corrupt state that took over with the ummayads and the Abbasids. Muslim spiritual leaders were tortured and imprisoned often times for speaking out against such abuses of power
Boko Haram and Isis are supported by Zionists as a destabilization platform against Islamic societies, much like how the British supported wahhabists in the gulf. These are modernist reactionaries unrooted in actual Islamic tradition, often making their primary target actual Muslims themselves
I think when you look at a 2 billion population size, much of it regularly exploited by post colonial entities, you will get all kinds of crazy things at the margins. There’s also a certain capacity for evil all of us have as human beings that manifests itself the world and history over. In order for Islam to have actual spiritual effect you need to internalize to the heart to transform you into a truly good person like the prophet pbuh, otherwise it just gets used as a glorified label
Like I don’t look at the cartels in Mexico torturing people and their own slavery and say dang that must be because they’re Christian—because I’ve actually studied Christianity and engaged with its intelligencia to get an idea of what its message, which I believe to false, is. Now you could say the cartels don’t frame themselves religiously, but I’d say that’s a cultural effect. Islam is more embedded within all the cultures of the world it manifests at any scale by its very nature. But humans
I also think that we launder much of the crazy things our own society participates in and encourages. The mines in the Congo supplying the raw material for our technological age are slavery mines, we don’t call them that or at least pay them attention because we’re supposedly past that and it’s out of sight out of mind, but it exists
Yeah but anytime we see a Christian pastor say something to the effect of “I get sex slaves” we either call the FBI or personally drag him out into the woods to meet Jesus at the bottom of a six foot hole. The techno slavery is something we should all be fighting against. I see the child marriages in places like Iran sanctioned by imams, girls dragged to sign the papers and it makes what you’re saying sound both convoluted and conniving.
Well the primary people fighting the people who say stuff like that are orthodox Muslims. These groups get their funding from disparate sources, sometimes even our intel agencies as the public record has shown. Isn’t it odd that some supposedly Muslim extremist group in the Middle East starts attacking other Muslims and minorities who’ve lived peaceably for millennia but refuses to attack Israel?
Yeah tbh I don’t expect anyone to do anything in our society about the techno or otherwise slavery. It’s very much the result of our of sight out of mind materialistic capitalist systems that don’t really care much about morality. There’s a genocide happening and people don’t even do the basics of boycotting. Will I still oppose that stuff as I can? Yeah, but ultimately it’s larger institutions like govs that get the ball rolling on these things. And our gov is run by pedophilic rapist freaks
I haven’t heard that about Iran personally. If some girl is being forced against her will and not mature then that’s haram. People kinda just do whatever though and violate religion for their cultural practices all the time though ig. Like Christianity says to wait for marriage but most Christians I know don’t do that, same thing with usury since those things seem to be culturally normal. I was listening to an interview with Dolly Parton when she passed not too long ago and apparently people in
Appalachia when she was growing up would get married as young as 12, younger marriages in tribal materially down trodden societies are fairly common historically, I’m not sure if that’s still the case there but many states still have laws reflecting our pre-industrial past. So if some section of a society where they don’t even have roads let alone schools is getting married right as people physically mature I wouldn’t be too surprised?