Anonymous #1 9w

That’s the same argument anti abortion ppl say abt personal responsibility on women’s part tho, ie if you don’t want a kid don’t have sex. Like if some guy at a clinic used a woman’s eggs to get fertilized with his sperm and made her pay for it that would be wrong. The consent was for the sex and storing the eggs, not for having a kid or being forced to pay for something against your consent

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Anonymous #2 9w

I think that’s just cultural programming tbh, same as how people were programmed to think abortion overall was wrong a while ago until they actually thought about it

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Anonymous OP 9w

Well I think it’s a little bit different though because as a man you’re not actually carrying out the pregnancy, so you don’t (legally speaking) really get to determine what the woman should do with the baby. There’s an obvious asymmetry in who gets veto power over the pregnancy or else you open up the reverse situation where a man can compel a woman to carry out a pregnancy she doesn’t want

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Anonymous #1 9w

And like I just think it’d lead to bad outcomes if we thought about child support from the perspective of “I can opt out if I didn’t want this child” rather than the perspective of “this kid now exists in the world and someone needs to support them financially, who should be responsible for that?” The example you gave doesn’t really hold up because donation clinics tend to have everyone sign waivers of those rights

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I think it’s more weaponization of pregnancy than abortion tbh. If you have sex with someone, tell them you don’t want a kid, they somehow get pregnant anyway, and then say they want the kid even though you said you don’t want any part of it, that’s clearly forcing fatherhood on someone that didn’t it in the first place. The kid has to then grow up knowing they were not wanted and their crazy mom forced them into life while the guy has to pay for being a glorified sperm donor

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Anonymous #1 9w

Well it’s not a kid, it’s a clump of cells. It turns into a kid when some lady holds the pregnancy to term against the explicit consent of the sperm donor who only agreed to sex. I think it leads to bad outcomes when you force a guy to have and substantially pay for a kid he doesn’t want too. You don’t have to make it so a man can compel a woman to have an abortion, just the option to not pay child support when the pregnancy becomes a kid if they tell the court they don’t want to be a father

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I’m not a misogynist, it just makes no sense to force someone to have a kid that doesn’t want one. If you know you’re pregnant in the first couple weeks, you tell the guy, he says he doesn’t want kids, but then you choose to be pregnant for the next 8.5 months anyway despite knowing he does not want that, and then force him to pay for the kid’s whole life that results from it, that’s profoundly wrong. It’s extortion and violation of consent

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Anonymous #4 9w

Like the whole point of pro choice is that the gov’t/people can’t force you to be pregnant & neither can they force you to get an abortion

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You’re the shitty person here, I haven’t insulted you once or assumed anything about you, I’m speaking logically & openly while you’re behaving like some rabid animal spewing random nonsense. Control your anger & look at it from a moral basis, it’s not moral at all to force someone against their will to be a parent and take their hard earned money from them for something they don’t want. A woman should not be forced to carry a pregnancy to term, & a man should not be forced to pay child support

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Yeah here’s some really interesting news for you! Condoms don’t always work, and vasectomies cost money that not everyone has. The choice of pregnancy is a woman’s, she can do whatever she wants, but she should not be able to force someone against their will to have a kid and pay for said kid despite their wishes otherwise, that’s evil and brings kids who know they were not wanted by their dad into society.

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You deserve to be treated as you treat others, immoral hypocrite. Child support for unwanted pregnancies is stupid and a violation of the principles from which abortion itself is justified, but you know nothing about principles

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Anonymous OP 9w

I get where u are coming from and idk if i fully disagree with you, but from the research i did, it seems like the reason that’s not a thing is because child support is viewed as a child’s right rather than a debt to be owed to the other parent

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The only women who are villains are those who force someone that doesn’t want a kid to have one, then force them to pay for said kid through life, and have that kid grow up knowing their dad didn’t want them. That’s cruel and psychotic. You hide behind false claims of misogyny to perpetuate injustice

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Anonymous #4 9w

The child was not wanted though, the parent that wanted the child should pay for them. A parent is someone who raises you, a sperm donor is not a parent

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I’ve never argued for forced abortions you’re just a liar and a psychopath

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Great go tell women that have abortions to just not have sex then, you’re a hypocrite!

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Anonymous #4 9w

Read through what I’ve said, I don’t think anyone should be forced to get an abortion or hold a pregnancy to term. I think it’s the woman’s body and her choice, but it’s also the man’s choice to be a dad or not. A dad is different from a sperm donor. If the man does not want a kid, he tells a court he does not want a kid, and the woman carries the pregnancy to term despite this (which is her choice), then the man shouldn’t be forced to pay for it. That’s her decision and her responsibility atp

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Anonymous #1 9w

Atp the decision and its responsibilities are the lady's. If she really wants the kid so bad she can pay for it herself, or she can respect the other person's choices and dna and get an abortion, then have a kid with someone who actually wants one. Either way it’s her body and choice, but that choice should not be forcing people into something like paying child support for a kid they clearly never wanted in the first place

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