Anonymous #1 3w

“Brainwashed” and it’s just basic cognitive reasoning 😭🙏

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Anonymous #2 3w

Absolutely. That’s why I’m more like moderate left and I’d assume you’re probably moderate right. It becomes a problem when we become super super divided.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Ok I like learning more about different opinions. What would you say are your favorite qualities of the right?

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Anonymous OP 3w

100%

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Anonymous OP 3w

Remembering the time in my first year economics class where the professor said “the us isn’t actually totally capitalist, we have some socialist aspects such as the fire dep-“ only for a student to get up and leave because he was apparently spreading communist propaganda

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Anonymous #2 3w

Yeah extremism is where the cult part of both sides are

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Anonymous OP 3w

I never said I was right. I learned to separate myself from everything and divide the contents into accessible components. There is the moral standpoint of what is right and wrong, there is the “what you wan t” which can be derived from the previous, and then there is the application, which is like how that vision is implemented. The final I believe to be the hardest, because only in application do we truly contend with the things outside of control. In short I have no political label.

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Anonymous #3 3w

I am constructing myself, with errors of course that is inevitble

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Anonymous #3 3w

But being at college, I have met and hung out with many along the spectrum of ideology, I know groypers and conservatives, progressives I presume are and anything else in that format although I only know the formers because it was told to me; I don’t ask about preferred labels. I can say that these are not ill-willed people but differed greatly in moral standpoint; they act on what they believe is right, though it conflicts with one another.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Wow I’m so sorry for assuming. There was a similar comment to yours above and I jumped to conclusions. Totally on me there. I think what you said actually aligns perfectly with my thinking. I just label myself as left or moderate because people gravitate towards political parties and then I can debate them. You actually said that perfectly and I absolutely agree with you on the fact that the application is the most controversial and hardest part of actually having “good ideas/morals”.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I mean take abortion for example which is more complex. One person may say it is bad because not only does their moral standpoint grant special value to human beings but also they determine that the conditions for what constitutes a human being includes “at conception”. Another person may share that same moral standpoint but their conditions do not include “at conception” which is where disagreement begins. It grows at application, where you can ban it outright or allow exceptions, but

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Anonymous #5 3w

Bad bro. it was so bad. Mostly because I was a stupid teenager on instagram and if you’ve ever been on that site it’s just racism. Because racism = funny right 😐. I followed Andrew Tate at one point 😭

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Anonymous #3 3w

ultimately such application infringes upon the moral, conceptual-supported necessity the other person has. The vice versa of this is where policy allows for something that another finds deeply wrong and so there becomes tension where there is less restriction on something that is viewed as evil. But I think that goes into how people experience when their good is restricted versus when their bad is per-missed. At the end you will displease people one way or the other, which makes it

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Anonymous #4 3w

It then becomes their identity and now you’re not questioning their political beliefs your questioning their ego and identity 🫤

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Anonymous #3 3w

non-consolidating because there are such opposed fundamentals. You really can only make headway in the conditions that constitute human beings, unless the fundamentals themselves provide the conditions.

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Anonymous #3 3w

unless the individual isn’t perfectly aligned with their own moral standpoint exactly in which case those overhangs become bridges to gap or something to break off for the individual themselves, whichever happens first.

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Anonymous #3 3w

I think abortion is a great example of this too. I came up with a good take on abortion I thought. People are never open minded and it sucks. Basically you don’t ban abortion but make it more expensive to have done. In the 5% extreme cases it would be free and after the procedure it would be determined by like a silent court or something if any charges would be applied, reduced, or completely free. This idea is not based on religion or any other takes and the main goal is not to preserve “life”.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Without banning abortion entirely it would still be accessible but people would think twice about having sex if they knew there would be some sort of “punishment” involved. The entire point of this idea is to possibly lower std rates, lower orphaned kids, and lower teen pregnancies. This would(hopefully) not feel like the government is trying to control what people do with their bodies but offer a recourse for abortion without banning it entirely.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Well see “pro-life” at least as far as I know makes those exceptions in the extreme cases. “Abolitionists” hold it as murder and make no such exceptions. You would find the latter is going to contend with your idea, but you’d likely make some headway with the former if they’re open to discussion.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Makes sense but you’ll definitely have backlash from both areas

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Anonymous #3 3w

When thinking about open-mindedness I think we should think about it in layers. The further away from the fundamental moral standpoint you are all the way up to application, the relationship between that and open-mindedness is linear. It is easier to change on application than on fundamentals. You can say you’re open-minded on the opinion level and not be on the fundamentals or applied fundamentals (I.e operation of fundamental morality in practice as opposed to the fundamental blueprint)

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Anonymous OP 3w

YES OMG

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Anonymous OP 3w

Actually this isn’t exclusive to extremism. Anyone who is particularly defensive of their opinions and is unable to separate themselves from their opinions is susceptible to this

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Anonymous #3 3w

Bro it’s like everyone in this fuckin community. Like if society just acted like how we just acted where we could have different opinions but instead of calling each other stupid and fighting we just got along 🤯

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Anonymous #3 3w

Do you think there’s something wrong with being “too” open minded?

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Anonymous OP 3w

I think that depends on the layer. Eventually you settle in your fundamentals but if you’re consistently changing that it’s going to be extremely difficult to operate, because that offsets everything above, and it is difficult to form thorough opinions if those fundamentals consistently shift. Opinion and those layers above are good to change, but should be done for reasons proportionally equivalent or greater in strength to the strength of the opinion. Doing things on the whim isn’t productive.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Of course to measure such strength or necessity you have to use your fundamentals, which is why I say that if that is consistently shifting, it will be hard to be level-minded.

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