Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 42w

i mean i don't think we owe them any apologies, unfortunately we have to play in the 2 party system until we can get rid of it. if we have to have it harris would've a little better than trump and tbh i'm pretty pissed that so many people fence sat in the last election

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 42w

we need ranked choice voting

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i don't disagree with you but what are we supposed to do in the mean time?? the better of the two evils fucking sucks, i don't want to have to say it but that's where we're at right now. unfortunately the gaza situation wasn't going to be helped by this election, and i absolutely hate that that's the case. but you're seriously telling me you'd rather have trump fucking up everything else plus gaza instead of harris?? that's ridiculous.

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also, fence sitting or voting 3rd party doesn't get anything done. you might feel like you can take the moral high ground for not voting for genocide, but everyone that didn't vote or voted third party were complicit in trump getting elected and got genocide anyway. so what exactly was the point?

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tbh this is exactly what they want, they want us to be confused and overwhelmed and to fight with each other about things that actually don't matter (like voting 3rd party lol). i really didn't want to vote in the last election, i absolutely hated both options. personally its just frustrating that trump got elected and is now raising hell for pretty much everyone that isn't a wealthy straight white man when i don't think this would have been an issue had the election gone the other way.

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i 100% agree that we need to abolish the 2 party system and abolish capitalism but i think for me it's the fact that imo we have a more pressing issue atm, getting trumps ass out

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dude i don't fucking like the dems

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Anonymous OP 42w

If both parties in the two party system have the same goal then do we have to play it? Like obv a third party won’t work but this also won’t word. We’re set in a situation that forces us to always lose because both our parties want the same things

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 42w

Not exactly the same obv but the underlying incentives lead them to the same general ideas

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 42w

no i get it, i hate it as much as the next person... but imo things would not be as bad for so many citizens if trump hadn't got elected

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i mean whatever, i definitely don't think we'd have masked fucks in the streets shooting people, tearing families apart and arresting children and legal citizens under harris

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i understand and agree with your baseline point, the system is not sustainable and will crash eventually one way on another. my point is, it's hard to work on abolishing the system when the public is too overwhelmed, poor, and scared to come together to make it happen. therefore, getting rid of trump (or not electing him in the first place) is the priority, it needs to be addressed before we can begin the other work

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if there was a viable option to vote against the genocide in gaza i would have done it. ideally there would've been a way to get around the inevitable. but realistically (not ideally) it was essentially, and very unfortunately, an irrelevant point for that election. there were sooo many other issues on the ballot. i refuse to be ok with the fact that thousands of americans are currently suffering unnecessarily because others had to sit on a moral high horse.

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i hate the system. but what choice did we have at the time??? i think you're being idealistic (which is good and necessary and important for change), but you have to also be realistic

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Anonymous OP 42w

But trump did get elected and the democrats don’t care. They’re okay with it. They don’t feel like separate entities anymore is the issue. The democrats will just kill less people, which granted is a big deal, but if they just facilitate the return of fascism again for the third time, did it even matter?

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Anonymous OP 42w

allowing trump to take office is causing much more suffering than the american system would've caused other wise, and it's not ok that people didn't try to stop it

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i literally said that i hate the dems, they fucked the election completely, i'm very aware. but i still don't understand what we were supposed to do during that election. there was no organization of the people to change anything before it happened. we had no choice. you're making it sound like the suffering of thousands of immigrants, women, poc, lgbtq (etc) is ok? it's not about *me* at all, the REALISTIC goal was to cause the least amount of suffering total

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