Anonymous #8 17h

Is this an argument about the supply vs demand of labor?

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Anonymous #8 17h

“Vibe politics are a cancer” as you don’t make any concrete rebuttal by explaining how the domestic labor would be devalued. Show us you know what you’re talking about, unless your knowledge is only from Twitter and 100-level econ classes

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Anonymous #10 16h

I don't think it should be a crime and if it is there should be no fine, you think people coming here out of desperation have the money to pay a fine?

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Anonymous #5 15h

Why do you think it shouldn’t be a crime?

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Anonymous #10 15h

Because it hurts nobody

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Anonymous #10 15h

Because we’re largely the reason they can’t stay where they are. We’re the market that allows cartels to garner more power than their local governments. More often than not, it’s American arms in cartel hands. Without us, there would be nothing to escape from

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Anonymous #12 15h

“Not hurting someone directly” is not the standard used to determine whether something is illegal. Plenty of crimes exist because violating legal systems and regulations can undermine how society functions even without immediate physical harm to a specific individual.

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Anonymous #12 14h

I mean…with this logic, robbing a bank should be legal. Because that’s just cash. It’s not like you’re robbing John Smith’s bank account. His bank account is just a number. You could argue that multiple different types of fraud don’t actually hurt individuals

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Anonymous #13 14h

What about illegal immigrants from Europe, Oceania, and Canada (~900,000)? The same argument doesn’t apply to those regions, yet we also must address people that illegally enter our country from there. Should we open our borders to them? If so, what justification would you offer for that reason?

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Anonymous #7 14h

I agree. It’s not really a good argument. Besides, while few, there are examples of illegal immigrants hurting people in the United States. That proves that yes, illegal immigration can and does hurt people directly.

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Anonymous #10 14h

I’m curious what the country breakdown of that number is. Or even what year. If it’s 2022 or later, a substantial number could be Ukrainians

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Anonymous #7 14h

I’m using MPI as a source, which cites its numbers as 2023. I do want to note that your claim that “there would be nothing to escape from” is a bit optimistic. Take for example Ukraine. If, as you say, a substantial number of the 2023 illegal immigrants are from that region, they are moving due to a factor (Russia) that is not the US. Thus, it is likely that even if US intervention in Latin America halted, events would still transpire that would drive people into our country illegally.

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Anonymous #10 14h

I wasn’t the one who said “there would be nothing to escape from”. Thanks for clarifying the source though, that makes sense

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Anonymous #7 14h

Oh sorry Mb I get lost when it’s just numbers

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Anonymous #7 13h

It is literally the most simple concept to explain. The greater the population under the same output conditions devalues labor. You bring people “willing” to work at lower rates and you are taking jobs from the American working class. Or, more insidiously, this position is no longer offered at, say, $50,000 salary, due to the fact they *can* offer it at $30,000 to some Indian who will take it because it means they get out of their own country instead of bettering it. We are taking in cowards.

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Anonymous #7 13h

What concrete rebuttal is there to be had? OP is a moron talking about something they have no idea about.

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Anonymous #5 13h

You are an idiot and should not have the right to vote.

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Anonymous #8 13h

So then let them organize and fight the ruling class too.

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Anonymous #1 13h

Me in cookie clicker

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Anonymous #8 13h

Bro chill

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Anonymous stoner22 12h

Absolutely not, internationalism is parasitic. States exist to represent their majority ethnic populations, unless you’re deemed to have “no culture” and are an economic zone like America.

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Anonymous #8 12h

Fascist using socialist rhetoric, golly gee I wonder where I’ve seen this one before?

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Anonymous #16 12h

*using socialist rhetoric but then when socialist solutions are brought up protecting the billionaire oligarchs

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Anonymous #8 12h

Fuck that bs. That’s the same rhetoric Hitler used.

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Anonymous #16 12h

Marx was a great architect for a fascist society. We truly could not have done it without him.

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Anonymous #7 12h

Robbing a bank hurts people because you’re taking other peoples money. Moving to a new country illegally hurts nobody

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