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Yeah man I’ve love a trans-only event. Let’s take it a step further. White-only events and black-only events. OH WAIT HAHA thats actually a really fucking stupid you idea 💀💀 there’s only 10 trans athletes and they ALL play different sports it’s a nonissue
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Anonymous 9w

If there were only 10 athletes using performance enhancing drugs, would we still let them play and say it’s a nonissue? I don’t think people really care about the scope

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Anonymous 9w

Idk i mean there are sacrifices that come with every decision one makes. I think that in this case, giving up sports is just the unfortunate sacrifice of a mtf transition. It isn’t anything against those who do it, but to deny that it is unfair to the cisgendered women athletes is just blind.

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Anonymous 9w

So why have separate men’s and women’s divisions at all?

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 9w

Because women weren’t allowed to play sports so they made their own leagues and organizations for it in the 1890s-1920s they were excluded the same way they’re excluded from everything else so they made their own shit before the WNBA was made

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

Same thing with paraplegics

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

You’re really close to understanding something.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 9w

No this isn’t an apply the same logic because trans women are women 💀 they get to play with women this isn’t the gotcha you think it is

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

Then why do you say “trans women” instead of “women”?

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 9w

Because “trans” is a descriptive adjective describing an individual who’s gender identity does not match the identity assigned to them at birth

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

And that’s different than a non-trans woman, correct?

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 9w

That would be a cis woman

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

…which is different than a trans woman, correct?

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 9w

Are French women different than German women? This is the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

A French woman is not biologically different from a German woman, no. Now answer the fucking question.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 9w

Yeah they’re different in the same sense that tall women and short women are different, or French women and German women are different. 'Trans' and 'cis' are descriptive adjectives. Both are women 💀 “woman” is not a biological concept and you’re argument hinges on it being a biological concept which is why I said your argument is stupid

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 9w

You’re close to understanding something, #1. Never ask the governing body of international chess why women have a separate ranking

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

No.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 9w

Is chess a physical sport or athletic contest of any kind?

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 9w

Aaaand you missed it. The point is that separate sport divisions by gender exist because of misogyny, not because of fairness. There are very few sports that wouldn’t work just fine if they were integrated. But the men playing them don’t want “their thing” to change

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 9w

So do you think it’s a good idea than men and women have separate basketball leagues?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

Trans women are not women. They are living in a fantasy make belief world. By definition, what is a woman in your opinion

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 9w

“ Separate sport divisions by gender exist because of misogyny” Genuinely lost the plot

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 9w

No, in a perfect world it would be integrated

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 9w

See the comment above about “women’s leagues formed because they weren’t allowed to play sports” - if men had let women participate in the first place, many sports would have developed into mixed programs and it would have been fine

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 9w

Women have been able to compete in tennis since 1884, can you explain why the top ranked woman would not be within the top ranked men?

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 9w

Or in the Olympics since 1900, should we not combine the men’s and women’s competitions for that

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 9w

Ah so an entire marginalized group of people should be excluded from an aspect of society that no other group has to go through. Love how you people just normalize discrimination by dressing it up as care. How paternalistic of you.

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 9w

Choices all come with consequences. If you choose to get a job in a coal mine, you will probably get lung cancer. If you choose to move to the Middle East, you will probably not have very many rights. If you choose to put your life savings on blackjack, you will probably leave the casino broke. Life is full of choices and certain choices have certain pros and cons.

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 9w

“If she didn’t want male attention she shouldn’t have gone out looking like that.” “If she didn’t want him to do that to her she shouldn’t have been so mouthy.” You should start with those next time I’m sure you’ve said something to that effect before.

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 9w

Not even close to the same thing.

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 9w

Genuinely the worst rebuttal ive heard omg

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 9w

By your standards of “if trans women didn’t want to suffer societal backlash they should’ve stayed in the closet.” Those statements fit that logic. You’re moving the goal posts because you don’t view trans people as deserving the same societal respect as cis people.”

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