Anonymous #6 11w

Vocal minority. There have been even bigger protests in Israel for the IDF's right to rape prisoners

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Anonymous #8 11w

The IDF opened fire onto Israeli civilians to prevent them from being taken hostage

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Anonymous #9 11w

Taken hostage by who

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Anonymous #10 11w

There are no polls because Israel kills every journalist who goes there

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Anonymous #9 11w

Except there are polls

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Anonymous #9 11w

true. I think it definitely is a societal/systemic level issue but i think we should still be careful not to make it seem like everyone in Israel supports this

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Anonymous #10 11w

yeah i feel like polling really reflects the larger issue. Unfortunately the Israel regime is abusing their power and making everything worse

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Anonymous #10 11w

Is your point that Palestinians hate Israelis because Israel is genociding them? I don't think there are any polls like that. Feel free to link one. Maybe Israel should stop committing genocide though if that's what you're worried about.

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Anonymous #9 11w

The point you’re ignoring is that Palestinians allegedly have a negative perception of Jews/Israelis due to actions being done. Okay. Israeli’s allegedly have a negative perception of Palestinians due to what is being done. Why is part 2 so hard to grasp? It’s been finger pointing at who started it for literal centuries so either you support retaliation when you think the other started it, or you want the conflict to end. Pick one, can’t have both

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Anonymous #10 11w

I think you're making that up. In my experience they don't have a negative view, they just want to stop being bombed. And everyone knows who started it lmao. Israel didn't exist 80 years ago. Palestine did.

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Anonymous #10 11w

And it's not a conflict. It's a genocide. I'll block you if you call it a "conflict" again

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Anonymous #6 11w

I think the overwhelming majority of people in Israel do support it (much more then 50% given any random topic) and it is a waste of breath to clarify "but not all Israelis!" each time we talk about this.

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Anonymous #6 11w

Like yes, there are people born there who do not support it. But also, for the most part, the people prostrating are protesting Bibi himself for making Israel look bad, not protesting the genocide itself.

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Anonymous #10 11w

israelis are settlers, who cares ?

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Anonymous #9 11w

There is no “in your view,” there’s reality. There was a negative view before they were being bombed. Things were not dandy under British occupation.

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Anonymous #10 11w

Stop trying to justify genocide

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Anonymous #9 11w

Was there a genocide in 1947? No. So why was there animosity then? Actually understanding what’s going on is literally step 1 to ending it

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Anonymous #10 11w

and what’s objectively happening is settler colonialism

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Anonymous #9 11w

I get it, I just think it makes things worse because then they can keep pushing the narrative that Israelis are victims of discrimination which the Netanyahu regime does use to justify cruelty against people who go against them. I also think it’s important because we are advocating for an end to the indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians which applies to them too

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

Okay and? That doesn't change the historical conflict between each side that has been going on since before the settler colonialism started

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Anonymous #10 11w

the Balfour declaration and British lies about the Palestinian mandate are where the origins of the modern conflict lie. this conflict is not some ancient battle between Arabs and Jewish peoples. it is wholly to do with colonialism and nationalism, things that were introduced to the Levant following the French and British dismantle of the Ottoman Empire, in the interests of projecting power over the region

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

The conflict changed then, but it was not birthed then. There was not peace under British occupation nor ottoman. So the idea that “just stop the bombs” will have everyone live together in peace kumbaya is not productive nor true

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

Like, every original charter of these Islamic groups name “yahud” as their enemy. This very obviously runs deeper than post-British land allocation

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Anonymous #10 11w

There’s no both siding a genocide & apartheid

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Anonymous OP 11w

You can’t just keep ignoring reality dude. So there’s a genocide: How did we get here? How to proceed? Are these ideas actually supported by the people who live there? What does a post genocide Palestine look like? Are those goals supported by historical precedent? Like you can’t just keep going “muh genocide” and expect that to be productive in the slightest in ending it, right,

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Anonymous OP 11w

Also are we just forgetting that the Ottoman Empire was seen as a safe haven for Jews escaping pogroms. Obviously it wasn’t perfect but you’re making it sound like the conflict is somehow backed into their DNA & not due to colonialism

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Anonymous #10 11w

Idk what you’re trying to say because are you arguing that Israel isn’t doing a genocide or that they should keep doing the genocide?

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Anonymous OP 11w

Idk how you read any of what I wrote and thought either of those conclusions were at all relevant

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Anonymous #10 11w

So you have no answer to those cool

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Anonymous #10 11w

What exactly is the point you are trying to make? Like yeah, people on both sides have negative opinions of eachother. Israel is abusing their power and indiscriminately killing innocent people at an incredible scale

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Anonymous #9 11w

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/17/october-7-crimes-against-humanity-war-crimes-hamas-led-groups It was a music concert that turned horror by massacre led by Hamas they attacked both from air and land. Shots, everyone and the community, they kill parents in front of their children, burn houses with people inside. Kidnap and rape the girls they found.

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Anonymous #8 11w

The genocide of the Herero and Nama committed by Germany was in response to then revolting and massacring Germans in Namibia. Turkey continues to insist that the Armenian genocide was simply action against terrorist Armenians trying to genocide Turks. Multiple genocides of Native American tribes occurred after a raid killed Americans.

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Anonymous #7 11w

The actions of Hamas do not justify the mass murder of Palestinian children. Furthermore, Israel was already killing Palestinian kids in the West Bank before Hamas attacked. Israel massacred entire Palestinian villages decades ago. History didn’t start 3 years ago.

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Anonymous OP 11w

You just asked me if I was asking one of two questions. I said I was asking neither. Why would I answer questions I just told you is irrelevant to what I’m talking about?

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Anonymous #6 11w

The point I’m making is literally step one to being able to find a lasting solution. “Muh genocide” does not end a genocide. People say go back to ‘67 borders and there will be peace. But there wasn’t peace in ‘67. People say go back to ‘48. But there wasn’t peace in ‘48. It’s been a shitshow for centuries. You can’t figure out solutions without acknowledging the problemS. Plural.

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Anonymous #10 11w

“It’s been a shitshow for centuries” bro what are you talking about the modern conflict is like 100 years old max. This shit about “Jews and Arabs have always been against each other” is so historically fake lol. Like OP said. They came to Palestine BECAUSE the Palestinians weren’t as violently antisemitic as Europeans.

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Anonymous #7 11w

They came to Palestine because Jews have a connection to the land, it had nothing to do with that lol. You don’t think in terms of raw safety the Jews would’ve picked Madagascar or Uganda over the shitshow in the Middle East? You might be the literal only person to try and claim the Middle East has been stable any time in the last like 4 centuries at least

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Anonymous #10 11w

The Jews coming to Palestine were primarily those fleeing antisemitic pogroms in Russia. Jewish charities like the Jewish Colonization Organization helped Jews to settle in Argentina, Cyprus, Turkey, America, Canada, and Palestine alike. Hell, Theodor Herzl openly said Argentina was an alternative to Palestine for a Jewish state.

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Anonymous #7 11w

The Middle East was not a shitshow at that time. Not compared to Europe. It was quite safe in comparison. Certainly compared to Russia during the time of the second Aliyah.

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Anonymous #8 11w

Yes. And the IDF both knew it was going to happen, and killed their own civilians on purpose. Confirmed by ex military officials on video. Look up the Hannibal Directive.

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Anonymous #8 11w

Also, that music festival was relocated to that area right before it happened. It wasn't supposed to be there. The attack was planned long before the event was going to be there. They weren't targeting a civilian festival on purpose.

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Anonymous #9 11w

Just the civilian kibbutzim and towns

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Anonymous #8 11w

Also they didn't rape anyone but nice try, zero sources for that claim, just like the 40 beheaded babies bullshit. Meanwhile IDF brags about raping Palestinians and the Israeli people protest against punishing rape

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Anonymous #9 11w

I dont know why one would have to do with the other. The UN investigation concluded unequivocal evidence of rape. Honestly step out of your internet propaganda bubble because Jesus Christ.

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